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Cover Scans containing Stickers
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMrVideo
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I tried searching this forum, but noting relevant showed up within the 30 day search andn the any date search doesn't work, as the server keeps timing out.

What is the deal with cover scans containing stickers?  Stickers should not be part of the scan, as they can all be peeled off.  I'm not talking about UPC stickers that are placed on product, I'm talking about the ones that are part of the image scan of DVDs like this: 786936814507

Those don't need to be there.  They are like those damn snipes one sees networks place on their programming.  They cover up the cover.

The rule says: The inner sleeve may be used in lieu of the front cover as long as the only difference is the exclusion of sticker(s) or rating overlays.

There is nothing else in the rules, that I know of, regarding stickers.  To me this means scan without stickers and if you can't get them off the slip cover, scan the case artwork.  I've not had a release yet where I couldn't easily get the sticker(s) off.  I was certainly able to in the above example.
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Totally agree!

Stickers are NOT part of the box...they're 'stuck on' to it. Therefore they should be removed prior to scanning IMO.

They're also damned ugly! I hate them!
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That kinda leads to the next question.  How do scans get approved with stickers?
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I guess because it's always better than no scan at all.

Also, the screeners aren't to know what's a sticker and what is printed on the insert/box unless they are told.
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Sometimes the sticker isn't on the plastic, it's actually on the paper cover itself and impossible to remove without ripping the paper.

However, when it's on the plastic or just on an outer slip when there's an identical non-stickered inner sleeve cover then scan the one without!

Oh, and sometimes they aren't stickers they are (stupidly) actually part of the printed artwork but made to look like stickers... happily this is not common (though it seems to be happening more and more in the book world).
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I personally like to leave the stickers on my boxes, but that being said, would not leave those example stickers on!

Stickers that have something to do with the movie or release, I usually keep. Ads get skipped on the dvr, ignored online and removed from my farking dvd covers!
Of course if I do keep my stickers I don't submit scans, unless the stickers are on the shrinkwrap which I can remove (the wrap with stickers), scan, then put back on.
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I've never had a problem removing those unsightly stickers from my slip case covers. I take a sheet of paper and slide it back and forth along an edge of the sticker until it gets underneath the sticker far enough to where I can a hold of it and slowly peel it off. Slip case covers should never be scanned and contributed with those gawd-awful stickers. I had one case that had 4 stupid stickers on it and most of the info on the stickers was already included on the actual printed slip case cover .
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I've never had a problem removing those unsightly stickers from my slip case covers. I take a sheet of paper and slide it back and forth along an edge of the sticker until it gets underneath the sticker far enough to where I can a hold of it and slowly peel it off. Slip case covers should never be scanned and contributed with those gawd-awful stickers. I had one case that had 4 stupid stickers on it and most of the info on the stickers was already included on the actual printed slip case cover .


Great tip about how to remove a sticker. Some are really tough. 
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I pretty much given up on removing most stickers. Seems like most the time I either end up with some of the sticker I can't get off or the sticker peels some of the ink off the cover. Then either way I am not happy.

That being said... unless the profile has gone for months to years without any (decent) image... I leave it up to others to provide scans (unless the inner cover is identical).
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That kinda leads to the next question.  How do scans get approved with stickers?

They get approved because the rules don't require anybody to remove them...and rightly so, in my opinion as I have quite a few releases where the sticker just wouldn't come off.  In my opinion, a good scan, that includes the sticker, is better than no scan at all.
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They get approved because the rules don't require anybody to remove them...and rightly so, in my opinion as I have quite a few releases where the sticker just wouldn't come off.  In my opinion, a good scan, that includes the sticker, is better than no scan at all.


Definitly agree.
The only stickers I've had real issue with are the ones over barcodes for re-releases, they can be removed but it takes time and lots of Goo-Gone with multiple passes and sometimes ruins the paper cover. I'd say I've got 75% of these ugly things removed, but some won't come without taking print with them and had to stay.

The other that was bad were the ones on the BD slipcover of Inglourious Basterds. Since it's a reflective cover, they started peeling off the silver foil on everyone I tried in the store (I often try one in store to see if the stickers will come up, and if they do fine the frist time, it's the one I buy), so I had to leave them on my own copy. Maybe a hairdyer for these would leave the foil underneath?
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I've never had a problem removing those unsightly stickers from my slip case covers. I take a sheet of paper and slide it back and forth along an edge of the sticker until it gets underneath the sticker far enough to where I can a hold of it and slowly peel it off. Slip case covers should never be scanned and contributed with those gawd-awful stickers. I had one case that had 4 stupid stickers on it and most of the info on the stickers was already included on the actual printed slip case cover .

I'll have to try that method.  Thanks for posting it. 
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Maybe a hairdyer for these would leave the foil underneath?

I don't want to use chemicals if I can avoid it so buying a hairdryer is on my list...just haven't gotten around to it yet.
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Great tip about how to remove a sticker. Some are really tough. 


Ditto.  Never thought of doing that.  Will give it a try next time.
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The other that was bad were the ones on the BD slipcover of Inglourious Basterds. Since it's a reflective cover, they started peeling off the silver foil on everyone I tried in the store (I often try one in store to see if the stickers will come up, and if they do fine the frist time, it's the one I buy), so I had to leave them on my own copy. Maybe a hairdyer for these would leave the foil underneath?


The quote you attributed to me, wasn't posted by me.

In any event, I guess I've been lucky.  In the case (pun intended  ) of the Secret Life DVDs, none of the stickers were of the permanent type.  All used the post-it note type of removable glue.
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I despise stickers, and because I'm particularly anal about it, have been able to remove them almost entirely from my collection, no matter the type or location: Slip cover, cover art, or disc. A high percentage of the time, there is little trace that a sticker was ever present.

It can be a chore, but by employing a variety of materials and techniques and being patient, I've been able to remove all manner of rental stickers -- even the high security ones bonded to the disc.

I've figured out how to do this all on my own, and I did experience a steep learning curve, along with some ugly failures. But now if I see a desirable title at a favorable price, I'll grab it almost without regard to the presence of stickers. Almost.

Of course I first check to see if I can get a brand new copy for nearly the same price, and if I can, go that route.

Useful stuff to have:

A Hair Dryer
A clamp to hold it
Several solvents, mild to more aggressive
A tooth pick / wooden skewer
Variety of hemostats / tweezers
Tape
Small, stiff art or utility brushes

Before you start, survey what you're up against.

Holding cover art up against the light you might find that the label is covering a former unskilled removal attempt.

Examine discs with labels CAREFULLY. Simple disc labels and particularly security labels are often actually holding discs together that are already cracked (hub ring) and that will become completely unplayable no matter how skillfully the label is removed.

Sometimes you're dealing with stacked labels, and depending on what you have, this can make things easier or harder.

With practice, you'll learn that different labels are held in place by different adhesives, and that different adhesives require different solvents. One big surprise is when you encounter a water based (envelope style) adhesive which won't respond to any of your petroleum distillate solvents.

Consider the artwork.

Some artwork is coated with varnish which offers the art underneath the label some protection. Some artwork is printed on very slick supercalendered paper, that can also result in easier removal.

Of course the location of the label on the artwork also makes a difference. Unprinted areas are different than working with a label on a heavy ink solid.

About solvents: You're not going to be working with anything nasty like "Goof-Off". The tamer the better to start. My favorite is leather waterproofing solution. It's designed to go on garments WITHOUT altering the color, and that's a great place to start.

You can always try something more aggressive later, but not if you've already stripped the ink from the page.  Disc art is more stable (generally), so if the waterproofing stuff doesn't work (on small hub labels), I can step up to a penetrating oil. Liquid Wrench is my favorite for that. The old formulation was almost clear, but the new is not and will stain paper, so you can't use it there.

More on cover art:  Start by working from the BACK. I saturate the paper behind the label and then let it sit for a bit, so that it seeps thru to the adhesive.

Then I heat the paper, also from the back and begin the peel off process. Sometimes flexing the paper will cause a corner of the label to lift off, and if so then great! Otherwise you have to come up with something to lift it off the page and pull from that point, with as constant, slow and steady motion as you can. I often use a fingernail, but there are risks with anything you use.

One thing you don't want to do in this process is mash the label down on the paper any harder into place than it is already. This happens as a completely natural function of grasping the label with your fingers, because as you pull away you have a natural tendency to "fulcrum" against the cover itself.

If anyone is interested in hearing more, I'll happily share what I know about the high security disc labels, as well ways to hide / repair damage (removal of ink) from artwork that sometimes happens despite your best efforts.
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