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Registered: July 16, 2010 | Reputation: | Posts: 527 |
| Posted: | | | | Hello
I’ve a Location Question.
It’s not unusual for (especially) music DVDs (and in particular the ‘free’ ones that often accompany CDs), to be provided with nothing more useful regarding Location than “made in the EU” (European Union) or similar; they appear to be pan-European releases.
Anyone any suggestions as to how the Location of these might best be recorded, as “Europe” isn’t an option?
Example? Deadline: We're Taking Over! Live & Loud in Germany (5052146705405)
The cover art includes a German rating which is printed into the front cover art (it’s not a sticker), but all the text and the booklet is in English, not German. The Production Company is German. The band is British(ish) and based in the UK. The record/release company is, on balance, more German than British; (its website is in both languages and it lists offices in Germany, England and America). I bought it from amazon.co.uk and it isn’t specifically listed there as an import. The DVD was recorded in Germany (live performance).
I contributed it as Locality > Germany and this was accepted.
Thanks. Paul | | | Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it? Guttermouth "Lemon Water". Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally. So I'm an anarchist, deal with it. Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted... |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | You have to differentiate between "Country of Origin" and "Locality".
CoO means The country in which the main production company of the main feature is located.
Locality means the country for which the DVD was released.
In your example the locality "Germany" would be correct for an import from Germany and incorrect if this DVD is distributed in the UK. The best hints on the "locality" are usually given by the rating logos on the package. For "Free DVDs" that accompany CDs use the locality of the CD
EDIT: The leading "5" of the EAN usually indicates the UK as locality. German EANs normally have a leading "4" or "8". | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 | | | Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree, if you bought it over here and it wasn't an import then submitting with a UK locality is fine. The German ratings suggest it is (or will be) available for sale there too, so I would leave the German locality profile in the database. |
| Registered: September 18, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,650 |
| Posted: | | | | I've found with many music DVD's you get the German rating but also the UK "Exempt" E on the rear cover. Is that there? |
| Registered: July 16, 2010 | Reputation: | Posts: 527 |
| Posted: | | | | Hello Thanks for this. Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote: I've found with many music DVD's you get the German rating but also the UK "Exempt" E on the rear cover. Is that there? No, there are no ratings anywhere except the built in German one. Quote: You have to differentiate between "Country of Origin" and "Locality".
CoO means The country in which the main production company of the main feature is located.
Locality means the country for which the DVD was released. Of course that's quite right; I just gave the various bits of other information to help demonstrate why it was so difficut to decide on the Locality, as so many point in different directions. Quote: The leading "5" of the EAN usually indicates the UK as locality. German EANs normally have a leading "4" or "8". I've wondered sometimes if there's a fairly fool proof way of 'cracking the code' of EANs. It might make some things, like the Locality, easier to determine. Paul | | | Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it? Guttermouth "Lemon Water". Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally. So I'm an anarchist, deal with it. Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted... |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,293 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting SpikyCactus: Quote:
Quoting samuelrichardscott:
Quote: The leading "5" of the EAN usually indicates the UK as locality. German EANs normally have a leading "4" or "8". I've wondered sometimes if there's a fairly fool proof way of 'cracking the code' of EANs. It might make some things, like the Locality, easier to determine. I have some good news and some bad news Cracking the code of EANs is easy; this site on EAN 13 symbology will tell you all you need to know about what parts of the code mean what. However, it's far from foolproof as it refers to where the disc was pressed, not where it will be sold and, for example, though 50 in the first two digits is the UK (and most UK discs are produced here) you don't have to go far to find that a lot of Warner Home Video UK releases are actually pressed in Sweden and begin with 73... Still; it's a start (and I tend to find it is useful for porn discs where they're a little 'vague' on where they are made ) | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
| Registered: December 22, 2008 | Posts: 87 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote: However, it's far from foolproof as it refers to where the disc was pressed, not where it will be sold and, for example, though 50 in the first two digits is the UK (and most UK discs are produced here) you don't have to go far to find that a lot of Warner Home Video UK releases are actually pressed in Sweden and begin with 73... Actually most european discs from Warner Home Video are pressed at the Cinram plant in Alsdorf, Germany. But the product registry and EAN distribution for all european WHV releases is done centrally in Sweden. I'll give a few more examles: Universal Pictures/Universal Studios registers and distributes their european EANs in the UK, so all the German releases (as well for Switzerland) will have code "50". Buena Vista switched a few years ago from "40" (Germany) to "87" (Netherlands), not only for the German releases, but IIRC also for Italy. And German distributor Universum Film uses since the beginning a 12-digit UPC (not a 13-digit EAN, except for the rental DVDs), belonging to it's parent company Bertelsmann. The same UPC structure was used on all the BMG CDs, so that would be Bertelsmann's New York branch handling the distribution of the numbers. So don't weight in too much into those numbers, because first of all, it only specifies the locallity of the business unit handling a company's product registry. And there are many, many more such oddities out there |
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