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Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | Would you consider Iggy Pop a stage name? I mean, I know it's not his original name, but neither is John Wayne. I looked in my local, and I have him listed two ways, all in first name field and divided between first & last name fields. I don't personally have a preference, I just want to have it only one way. And since I just audited my copy of Tank Girl I want to fix/keep it whichever way it should be before I contribute. Thanks all! | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Iggy Pop definitely is a stage name for James Newell Osterberg, but I think except for his mother nobody ever used this name in the last 40 years.
I thought there was something like a consensus to treat names that could be "normal" names with the default parsing. But maybe I got this wrong again and it was just the usual voicy minority (that is always called out if someone disagrees) that postulated this. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: May 2, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 490 |
| Posted: | | | | Hmm. I voted "Iggy Pop" as the full stage name. But after having had a look on Wikipedia and AllMusic, they talk about him in a "Mr. Pop" way. So I would assume people take his last name Pop for an actual last name, even if he made his name up.
There are countless other examples of artists with stage names but that are made up of both surname and last name. Thusly I have changed my mind. If a name appears to be constructed as a "full name", it should be regarded as such, even if it's a stage name. However, the criteria must be that it actually looks like a real name. Compare the following random stage names: Eric Bobo Kirk Douglas Mel C DJ Bobo Fatboy Slim Da Brat
IMO the three first look like and should be treated like real names, while the others are typical stage names that wouldn't make sense if they were split up and thrown around. Most stage names that "can't" be split up are musicians.
Simply put; if the name looks like a name and not like a word or a word game, then it should be treated like an actual name. | | | Last edited: by MikaLove |
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Registered: March 21, 2007 | Posts: 392 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote: Iggy Pop definitely is a stage name for James Newell Osterberg, ... IMHO its a fact that "Iggy Pop" is a stage name. So the rules are clear in this point: Quote: If an actor name is only a first name or stage name enter it entirely in the first name field. Examples are Cher, Madonna, Cedric the Entertainer & Queen Latifah. So I voted for Iggy Pop // | | | Hardy
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting awilbohk: Quote:
So I voted for Iggy Pop // So in your opinion Marilyn Monroe//, John Wayne// and Nicolas Cage// just as examples are correct entries also? |
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Registered: March 21, 2007 | Posts: 392 |
| Posted: | | | | Strictly per the rules this would be the right way! I know we handle it in an other way, if the names sounds like real names...but Iggy Pop...in my eyes its a bit to strange for a normal name... Hey...thats only the way I see it and voted for... | | | Hardy
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Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, judging by the poll it's too close to really call it. I guess I'll just end up with not changing whatever is currently in any given profile for the online.
Even though I agree with awilbohk, that it looks a bit too strange for a normal name, I think locally I'll end up going with Iggy / Pop, since his band was Iggy and The Stooges. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,293 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting awilbohk: Quote: I know we handle it in an other way, if the names sounds like real names...but Iggy Pop...in my eyes its a bit to strange for a normal name... So does Moon Unit Zappa but that's her birth name (and she is in Roseanne, Curb Your Enthusiasm and a lot more...) | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote: Quoting awilbohk:
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So I voted for Iggy Pop // So in your opinion Marilyn Monroe//, John Wayne// and Nicolas Cage// just as examples are correct entries also? Didn't they all legally change their names though? Maybe that could be deciding factor. I prefer it as a stage name, but as long as it stays one way or the other will be fine with it. Just not looking forward to another ping-pong with him, at least it's only 5 profiels I have. I'd say anoyone calling him Mr. Pop is doing so in a respectful but somewhat joking matter. It's like my friends calling me Mr. Horse, and usually followed by a bad blue joke. | | | Last edited: by bigdaddyhorse |
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Registered: September 26, 2007 | Posts: 488 |
| Posted: | | | | I think it should be Iggy / Pop. It is a stage name, but not in the way Cedric the Entertainer and Queen Latifah are stage names. Those two don't have a surname in their stage name and therefore it makes sense to put the complete stage name in the first name field. Iggy Pop has a surname, albeit a made up one. |
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Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting SilentBob1138: Quote: I think it should be Iggy / Pop. It is a stage name, but not in the way Cedric the Entertainer and Queen Latifah are stage names. Those two don't have a surname in their stage name and therefore it makes sense to put the complete stage name in the first name field. Iggy Pop has a surname, albeit a made up one. This for me, as well. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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Registered: March 28, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,299 |
| Posted: | | | | Hmm. Tricky.
I voted Iggy / Pop, using the same logic as MikaLove. | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS! Dolly's not alone. You can also clone profiles. You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin. | | | Last edited: by Astrakan |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | For me clearly a stage name. I can't see much difference between Queen Latifah and Iggy Pop.
But I also don't have a problem with the second option. Once changed the local variant will always stay the same, so not a thing to argue imho. | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
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Registered: May 2, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 490 |
| Posted: | | | | Well. A lot of views here, but IMO a lot of the reasoning isn't that consistent... I took a look at Wikipedia's List of stage names when I needed some perspective yesterday. Obviously, there are an almost infinite amount of stage names. Heck, Kirk Douglas is a stage name. Therefor, again IMO, we can not use the logic to not parse any stage name that we come across. Like I said, mostly the stage name that mustn't be parsed is that of a musician. To me there is a difference between Queen Latifah and Iggy Pop. "queen" is like a title. Like "Count Basie". But Pop could be an actual surname. (Also, Iggy Pop doesn't make pop music, but rock music. LoL...) If you don't agree with this logic, we would have to come to a consensus where we never parse a musician's stage name and also never parse any other obvious stage names that doesn't "look like" a real birth name. I can however agree that there's a fine line between what looks like what... But it's not a great idea to go by individual choices. That will mess the DB up. I can say that I already have a lot of unparsed actual names in the DB. Just found Amy Yasbeck / and loads of others yesterday. |
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Registered: February 10, 2008 | Posts: 244 |
| Posted: | | | | The easiest solution for this problem would be a single name field instead of 3 name fields... but maybe that would be too easy |
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