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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorLeiterfluid
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Based on some recent boneheaded screener moves, I'm done contributing.

The first case was when I was trying to update Six Feet Under: Season 2: Disc 1 (Disc ID E7CCA2A2DBCF5BBE)
In this case, the current profile CLEARLY contains re-release data, primarily from the Complete Series box set, which was released several YEARS after the season 2 set.  I tried to correct it to restore the original release data, and that was rejected because, for some reason, it's now acceptable to use the first disc ID to represent an entire season's worth of data.

The second case was the umpteenth attempt of someone to add UNIT CREW and STUNTS to the crew and cast respectively of The Hunted (025192044328).  CLEARLY a rules violation.  I've voted no on these changes at least 5 times in the last several months, and when I go to update my profiles, what do I find?  It's been approved.

This is weak sauce.
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for some reason, it's now acceptable to use the first disc ID to represent an entire season's worth of data.


This has always been the case - when a set contained say Series 1-3 and no individual UPCs/EANs for the individual seasons the first disc was used to identify the season profiles. It's only since the program and rules started allowing individual disc profiles that this has become a problem which, at present, can only be dealt with by the "first come, first served" rule.
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Well,

always sad to see a contributer go,
but screeners are humans and humans make mistakes, so are contributors.
Just try to do not get upset with it

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You have to have thick skin. Try this:

I just did a 3 disc TV series set. Either no one else owns Tilt, or I have a unique UPC (and disc id's) as there were no votes for the parent, disc 1 2 or 3 (guess it could be voter shame, knowing a vote would let others know they have it, but it's a decent series). So 2 days ago the parent is approved, scans and info. Yesterday disc 1, with the exact same scans was declined (just scans, info good). Today disc 2, again with exact same scans, approved on all.

Trying to find sense or expect no errors from the judges is not realistic, figure I'll wait and see what happens to disc 3 then re-sub 1 with notes that the scans are good enough for 3 other profiles (at least for 2 of them!)
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for some reason, it's now acceptable to use the first disc ID to represent an entire season's worth of data.


This has always been the case - when a set contained say Series 1-3 and no individual UPCs/EANs for the individual seasons the first disc was used to identify the season profiles. It's only since the program and rules started allowing individual disc profiles that this has become a problem which, at present, can only be dealt with by the "first come, first served" rule.


This only applies when the releases are at the same time.  If a release comes out prior to another release then the first release wins not who got the data in first.  We had several complete season sets that were using disc IDs from the previous single season releases.  After the rule change allowed for child discs to season releases the complete series sets data was replaced by the season data since it came out first.
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for some reason, it's now acceptable to use the first disc ID to represent an entire season's worth of data.


This has always been the case - when a set contained say Series 1-3 and no individual UPCs/EANs for the individual seasons the first disc was used to identify the season profiles. It's only since the program and rules started allowing individual disc profiles that this has become a problem which, at present, can only be dealt with by the "first come, first served" rule.


This only applies when the releases are at the same time.  If a release comes out prior to another release then the first release wins not who got the data in first.  We had several complete season sets that were using disc IDs from the previous single season releases.  After the rule change allowed for child discs to season releases the complete series sets data was replaced by the season data since it came out first.

I am sorry, but this simply isn't true.  While this may have happened, it is not 'per the rules'.  Here is the TV Series rule...

Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Add these profiles to the box set contents of the parent profile. Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images. If a disc, or set of discs, have their own case, use the cover images from that case. When submitting a change to an existing TV series profile that is currently a box set, do not remove the existing contents.

In either case, the cast and crew are to be entered into the parent profile using appropriate episode dividers.

Disc level profiles are optional, parent profiles are required.  If the parent (season) profile doesn't have a UPC, it has to be created via disc ID.  Anything other than that is against the TV Series clarifications.
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I am sorry, but this simply isn't true.  While this may have happened, it is not 'per the rules'.  Here is the TV Series rule...



While you are correct about the current rules, I was talking about the old rules before invelos even allowed child profiles for TV Seasons.  However, at that time invelos allowed complete seasons to be profiled using the child profile for each season either by UPC if the seaons had them or by disc ID if they didn't.

However after the rule change that allowed child profiles to be added to the seasons (even though not required but it is allowed by the rules).  Many of the original complete series that were profiled using the original rules were changed becuase the first disc was usually the same as the first disc of the season release.

I still don't see where the first come first serve is in the rules.  The only rule I see is first release.  Just becuase the disc IDs to a season are optional does not mean the first release rule no longer should apply.
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If the parent (season) profile doesn't have a UPC, it has to be created via disc ID.  Anything other than that is against the TV Series clarifications.


If a TV show is released in a collective/complete series boxset then the box containing the individual seasons is the Parent profile and NOT the first disc of each season.

If I was to buy the Complete Battlestar Galactica boxset I would have two choices - the parent box containing the cast and crew for all four seasons OR I could add the disc level profiles which are already assigned to the previously releases season sets - then just change the pertinent information to match my parent set.
But - each child profile is still valid.

However, if someone changes the Disc Ones to Season profiles then this messes up not only the child profile but also the previously released season sets.

Someone splitting a Collection boxset into seasons IS attempting to make child profiles - which, as you quote, are not required. Therefore the ORIGINAL release rules DOES apply.

For the record I bought the complete ER boxset and I wouldn't dream of attempting to change the existing Disc Ones to Season profiles. Not only because its not supported by the rules but, because I bloody well hate it when people to that to my season sets. 

So:

Complete Series Collection:
Main box collection comes in = Parent Profile.
All discs contained therein are Child Profiles.

Season Sets:
Main box season comes in = Parent Profile
All discs contained therein are Child Profiles.

Follow this, very simple, example and everything works just fine imo.
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Based on some recent boneheaded screener moves, I'm done contributing.

The first case was when I was trying to update Six Feet Under: Season 2: Disc 1 (Disc ID E7CCA2A2DBCF5BBE)
In this case, the current profile CLEARLY contains re-release data, primarily from the Complete Series box set, which was released several YEARS after the season 2 set.  I tried to correct it to restore the original release data, and that was rejected because, for some reason, it's now acceptable to use the first disc ID to represent an entire season's worth of data.

The second case was the umpteenth attempt of someone to add UNIT CREW and STUNTS to the crew and cast respectively of The Hunted (025192044328).  CLEARLY a rules violation.  I've voted no on these changes at least 5 times in the last several months, and when I go to update my profiles, what do I find?  It's been approved.

This is weak sauce.



The Hunted had to be a mistake.  The contributor tried to get his approved five separate times.  Even calling a contributor a liar within the contribution notes  (bad form).

Contribute the correction, and be done.

As far as the series, I have no help...


Charlie
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Someone splitting a Collection boxset into seasons IS attempting to make child profiles - which, as you quote, are not required. Therefore the ORIGINAL release rules DOES apply.

I am sorry, but that is not what I said...in fact, I never mentioned child profiles.  What I did mention, and what the rules deal with, are Disc-level Profiles.
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For the record I bought the complete ER boxset and I wouldn't dream of attempting to change the existing Disc Ones to Season profiles. Not only because its not supported by the rules but, because I bloody well hate it when people to that to my season sets. 

For the record, I wouldn't dream of attempting to change them either.  Unfortunately, it is supported by the rules because disc level profiles are not required entries while season level, perent profiles, are.
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So:

Complete Series Collection:
Main box collection comes in = Parent Profile.
All discs contained therein are Child Profiles.

Season Sets:
Main box season comes in = Parent Profile
All discs contained therein are Child Profiles.

Follow this, very simple, example and everything works just fine imo.

While it works fine for you, it doesn't work fine for those people that don't use disc level profiles and those are the people for which this rule was written.

Just so we are clear...I am not saying that I like it this way, just that this is how I read the rule. 
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Yeah, for my money, I'm just not seeing the logic in this.  I completely agree with Pantheon that the information belongs at the parent box set level not the disc ID level.  I own two box sets that I can think of (BSG was mentioned, the other is the Sopranos) where I have all of the discs at the same hierarchical level underneath the parent profile.  Why would we want dummy profiles to represent an entire season under a box set that doesn't have individual packaging for season.

I think we got lucky with 24 the complete series box set because each of those titles has their own UPC 
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I own two box sets that I can think of (BSG was mentioned, the other is the Sopranos) where I have all of the discs at the same hierarchical level underneath the parent profile. Why would we want dummy profiles to represent an entire season under a box set that doesn't have individual packaging for season.


Discussed many, many times before - because when I (and a significant number of others) sit down to watch a TV programme I want to watch it a season at a time, a season being therefore the natural thing (IMO) to profile and one reason I don't use Disc level profiles.

I can't imagine anything less 'natural' than to have a whole show's discs at a level below a multi-season parent like a without separating them... and the Rules that say to threat individual series of a multi-series set as separate profiles agree (note that I believe it has been established the Rule was written by a Brit so Series actually means Season)

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I think we got lucky with 24 the complete series box set because each of those titles has their own UPC


Yes, I am always happy when that happens because then we don't get the clash... sadly in the UK even if each season comes in separate cases inside the full Series pack they usually remove the barcode and replace with "Not to be Sold Separately" to stop shops trying to make extra money by illegally breaking up the set!
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when I (and a significant number of others) sit down to watch a TV programme I want to watch it a season at a time


You must have a lot of time. Considering 22 episodes à 42 minutes I come up with 15.4 hours per season. It takes a lot of stamina to watch "a season at a time".

I usually manage to watch one disc an evening, at weekends maybe two.
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Quite unusual, my set of Six Feet Under: Season 2 each of the five discs has its own UPC number and cover. It is the only one of the five seasons like that.

I pre-ordered March 31, 2004 from Amazon and it was shipped July 3, 2004 three days before its release.
Parent:
Six Feet Under: The Complete Second Season UPC 026359889226
Children (never contributed, why? I don't know):
Six Feet Under: The Complete Second Season: Disc 1 UPC 026359028922
Six Feet Under: The Complete Second Season: Disc 2 UPC 026359029028
Six Feet Under: The Complete Second Season: Disc 3 UPC 026359029127
Six Feet Under: The Complete Second Season: Disc 4 UPC 026359029226
Six Feet Under: The Complete Second Season: Disc 5 UPC 026359080722
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when I (and a significant number of others) sit down to watch a TV programme I want to watch it a season at a time

We all have our own individual opinions about such things.  I personally consider each episode (of most series) as a stand-alone "film", because in most series the stories are not serialized, and as DJ Doena has pointed out, some seasons of some series are very long.  I have seasons that consist of 29 50 minute episodes, with a playing time of over 24 hours.  That's pretty tough for many people to watch at one sitting.

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