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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was checking the credits for a recently released film to check the common name for a actor he/she is credited in the film with a middle initial but on IMDb he/she is credited without the initial, yet there are 13 Profiles in the database already that have him/her credited without the middle initial (as on IMDb) and with the role from there, how are we ever going to clear up the database if people are still copying from there?   I suppose there is a slim possibility that these 13 have different credits though i very much doubt it can anyone suggest what can be done about this, One central Profile, trusted profilers appointed by Invelos, maybe when a trusted profiler contributes Crew/Cast this is then propagated to all profiles for this film? (one time only) |
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 | Blair | | Resistance is Futile! |
| Registered: October 30, 2008 |  Posts: 1,249 |
| | Posted: | | | | If any are alternate UPC/Disc ID copies, then it's possible -- as has happened in many cases -- that the first was credited incorrectly (regardless of how the data was obtained), and then copied causing the error to spread rather than rechecking the data prior to a new submission.
There are likely many individuals (I'm not pointing fingers since I don't know who, it could easily be many people who have almost never visited the forum) who make a submission not paying attention the rules as well as assuming there is nothing wrong with using IMDb since the data should (supposedly) be the same if correct.
As for a solution, that's what the voting system is supposed to be for (not that I have to tell you that specifically but saying it just to make my point.) One person submits and others recheck the data for validity before voting. Other than when it is a brand new entry (I don't know what goes on during that process), if it's slipping through then too many are voting through good faith assumption rather than checking the data themselves. | | | If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
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| Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 415 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've seen many examples where the cast list is obviously from IMDB, and the contribution notes follow the pattern of "cast/crew data taken from IMDB" - Declined. "cast/crew data taken from end credits" - Approved.
I don't know if there's any way we can highlight these contributors to the screeners, so that they can be flagged and have future contributions more thoroughly checked.
I agree with ninehours, in that central profiles is the way to go and solves several issues with the current system. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,774 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting jmbox: Quote:
I've seen many examples where the cast list is obviously from IMDB, and the contribution notes follow the pattern of "cast/crew data taken from IMDB" - Declined. "cast/crew data taken from end credits" - Approved.
I don't know if there's any way we can highlight these contributors to the screeners, so that they can be flagged and have future contributions more thoroughly checked.
I agree with ninehours, in that central profiles is the way to go and solves several issues with the current system. If I remember correctly, Ken said we should write a support ticket when someone really is lying in his contribution notes. EDIT: Just found Ken's statement: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=427276&messageID=1157970#M1157970 | | | | Last edited: by SpaceFreakMicha |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting jmbox: Quote:
I've seen many examples where the cast list is obviously from IMDB, and the contribution notes follow the pattern of "cast/crew data taken from IMDB" - Declined. "cast/crew data taken from end credits" - Approved.
I don't know if there's any way we can highlight these contributors to the screeners, so that they can be flagged and have future contributions more thoroughly checked. I think the screeners learn soon enough who these people are when the Voters point it out... | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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 | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninehours: Quote:
One central Profile There's the solution, indeed. We really need to have one set of cast and crew data for each film, rather than one for each DVD. Even apart from the IMDb-mined data, right now every new birth year, every new common name, every new-found (uncredited) cameo, has to be discovered by dozens of users throughout just as many localities. Everyone keeps having to reinvent the wheel, over and over and over again. I've come to the conclusion that we're never ever going to clean up the database if we stick with the current system. Of course, it'll be a huge program overhaul, so it's not something I expect to happen anytime soon, but I do honestly believe that that's the way to go. |
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| Registered: February 10, 2008 | | Posts: 244 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting ninehours:
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One central Profile
There's the solution, indeed. We really need to have one set of cast and crew data for each film, rather than one for each DVD. Even apart from the IMDb-mined data, right now every new birth year, every new common name, every new-found (uncredited) cameo, has to be discovered by dozens of users throughout just as many localities. Everyone keeps having to reinvent the wheel, over and over and over again. I've come to the conclusion that we're never ever going to clean up the database if we stick with the current system. Of course, it'll be a huge program overhaul, so it's not something I expect to happen anytime soon, but I do honestly believe that that's the way to go. The problem with this solution is, that not all releases of a movie have the same credits. So it's depending on the release if you get the credits complete or even right... |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MakoDeth: Quote:
The problem with this solution is, that not all releases of a movie have the same credits. So it's depending on the release if you get the credits complete or even right... I agree that it does occasionally happen. But you do have to keep in mind that over the last ten years, we haven't found more than a handful of examples of this. Again, I'm not ignoring the problem, but with a handful examples versus 510.739 profiles in the database, the problem is extremely rare - some would even say virtually non-existent. Still, I agree that a "one set of cast and crew data for each film, rather than one for each DVD" system would need to be able to deal with such deviations. But if Ken would really ever make a huge change like this, I'm sure he'll be able to take care of this little aspect as well. |
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| Registered: July 29, 2007 | | Posts: 183 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MakoDeth: Quote:
The problem with this solution is, that not all releases of a movie have the same credits. So it's depending on the release if you get the credits complete or even right... I'm don't know how often this happens, but wasn't it the same with the barcodes? Same code but different title / cover of the same movie in different countries. That was solved and I think this issue might be solved the same way before it even exists. |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | IMO, people are going to continue to copy from IMDB until Profiler has a working database.
(Before everyone starts screaming, I mean a working database for the majority, not the majority of forum members. And it is entirely possible, although probably requires a program rebuild or something from Ken's side.) | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,744 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
IMO, people are going to continue to copy from IMDB until Profiler has a working database.
But why do they feel the need to contribute it? Maybe Ken should advertise the lock feature more so people don't have the feeling that the online profile has to match their local profile. | | | Karsten
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Central film profiles sound like a good idea to me, and in those rare cases of different credits, we can just add notes to the locality, and maybe use credited as to match the original (using original locality if possible). That's even better than my idea of central discs (discs with the same ID get updates from any of the ttiles that disc is linked to). There was some reason the disc ID thing wouldn't work that makes me think a central film profile is also not possible as of now. |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
Quoting Alien Redrum:
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IMO, people are going to continue to copy from IMDB until Profiler has a working database.
But why do they feel the need to contribute it? Maybe Ken should advertise the lock feature more so people don't have the feeling that the online profile has to match their local profile. Probably because they are think they are helping would be my guess. Or adding to their contribution points. I keep my IMDB cast local, but it doesn't at all surprise me that people submit, nor will they stop submitting. I would speculate there is a vast majority of people submitting to the database that never step foot in these forums, so they either don't know any better or simply do not care. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Although they might be contributing incorrectly, I think most people feel that they are helping when they share their work with the community. |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Although they might be contributing incorrectly, I think most people feel that they are helping when they share their work with the community. And do not forget that each time you make a change to a local profile, you have a splash screen that asks you to contribute that change to the database. Many users have this screen in their own language, and for those who hardly speak english, they quite ignore what's in the rules. | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote:
I think the screeners learn soon enough who these people are when the Voters point it out... I don't think so. --------------- | | | | Last edited: by scotthm |
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