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| Registered: December 24, 2007 | | Posts: 42 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was entering the Riptide complete series and the individual seasons (which come in seperate 3D and 5D keepcases) do not have UPCs. I temporarily entered them in my local profile with the disc ID of D1, but don't know if they will be accepted that way. I don't really want to enter all the discs. Even if I did I would still want some kind of seperate entry for the season. What are the rules for this situation? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I haven't done any research on this title...YET. But I have two intial questions, did you perhaps buy these second hand, the other is possible legality.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ok initial research indicates this was released by Sony Pictures Home Entertainment on 9/26/2006, in a three disc package (Season One) and the back cover has a UPC on it 043396150676, now i don't understand why the one you have would not have a UPC on it, it does not appear to be one of the notorious tear sheets that are glued to the back. I can't find anything on a 5 Disc Set.
As for our database Season One has been entered under the above UPC and appropriate Cover images, someone has even done the children. Season 2 is also in the database with a UPC and matching Cover images but no children.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | There are a few mail-order titles like this. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
There are a few mail-order titles like this. Ace: That more than likely means that that it is illegal, particularly for a recent title. Unfortunately. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Ok initial research indicates this was released by Sony Pictures Home Entertainment on 9/26/2006, in a three disc package (Season One) and the back cover has a UPC on it 043396150676, now i don't understand why the one you have would not have a UPC on it, it does not appear to be one of the notorious tear sheets that are glued to the back. I can't find anything on a 5 Disc Set.
As for our database Season One has been entered under the above UPC and appropriate Cover images, someone has even done the children. Season 2 is also in the database with a UPC and matching Cover images but no children.
Skip Extras Season 1 & 2 were released individually with UPC codes. When the Complete Series boxset came out, none of the 3 individual keepcases had UPC's on them like the separately released ones did. | | | | Chris |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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There are a few mail-order titles like this.
Ace:
That more than likely means that that it is illegal, particularly for a recent title. Unfortunately.
Skip No, it only means it isn't sold at retail, so there's no need for a UPC. There're plenty of products like this. See here, for instance. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ace:
I know, I can also provide many sites with similar issues which are NOT legal. So, one must exercise due care. To pretend that all such thing are 100% legal is just well I won't say it..
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm not saying all UPC-less sets are legal. It's just that lack of UPC is not in and of itself evidence of a bootleg. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | True, but its a better than even bet. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I haven't done any research on this title...YET. But I have two intial questions, did you perhaps buy these second hand, the other is possible legality.
Skip Nearly all my Complete Box sets contain season boxes without UPC and instead "Not to be sold individually" labels Looks like this:  instead of this:  Regarding the original question: I'd add the discs directly to the Complete Box without the usage of season profiles. | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | It would be of interest what sites sell these.
Even on Amazon they sometimes have reference to sites selling these.
When I have googled some of these sites out, they have poor WOT ratings, and that there are complaints that they are selling copies taken from video. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ThatsAllFolks: Quote:
I was entering the Riptide complete series and the individual seasons (which come in seperate 3D and 5D keepcases) do not have UPCs. I temporarily entered them in my local profile with the disc ID of D1, but don't know if they will be accepted that way. What are the rules for this situation? AIUI, yes, to enter a season that has no EAN/UPC (such as, as shown below, many UK releases that are repackaged into big multi-season boxsets) you would use the Disc ID of Disc 1 and I believe that this should be accepted according to the Rules. However, it is possible that someone will already have used that Disc ID (ie it will already be in the library) because they have profiled the original season release and profiled all the discs separately (which is also permittd by the Rules) Sadly at present, due to the limitations of the software, this is a 'get there first' situation. Either entry in the main Database would be legitimate by the Rules, but we can't have both in there. Some users prefer disc level profiles (so there isn't so much data per entry and it's easier to handle) and others prefer season level profiles (like me - that's how I count my collection, that's how I judge whether I've finished watching something... by the season). There have been "lively debates" on the issue... If you do find someone has already used the Disc ID of Disc 1 your olny choice Locally to break them down by season is to use a Manual profile which you can't submit. You can then either choose to use the Disc level profiles under that or just take the data from the profiles and combine it for your manual profile... remember, DVDP does now allow multiple levels of child profiles etc. so you can have the EAN of the 'multi-season' set as the top level "parent", then the manual season level profiles as its 'children' and then (if you want) disc level profiles as 'grandchildren') Hope that helps | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agree with Voltaire53. That's how these should be handled. |
| | Registered: December 24, 2007 | | Posts: 42 |
| | Posted: | | | | I hope these are not illegal. They are actually the Canadian releases by Visual Entertainment. Only season 1 was released in the U.S. These were bought off eBay with explicit verification that these are authentic. I know they could be lying. It is possible this is a bootleg, but it's hard to imagine that anyone would actually take the time to duplicate something like this which isn't that popular. The individual season sets are in different packaging than the seasons included in this set -- which might explain why there isn't a UPC.
As far as the UPC goes, I had concerns about a DVD of Hidden Fortress Criterion that I bought off eBay. It had no UPC. When I emailed the seller, he said it came from a Akira Kurosawa - 4 Samurai Classics set. There was a picture at Amazon that verified that these actually did not have individual UPCs. It doesn't prove they weren't bootlegs, but doesn't guarantee they are either. Also, the argument that no UPC guarantees a bootleg never made sense to me. If they are going to illegally copy something, why stop at the UPC. I've gotten bootlegs before and everyone I got had a UPC.
I will go ahead and submit w/ D1 ID. Thanks for all your responses. | | | | Last edited: by ThatsAllFolks |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ThatsAllFolks: Quote:
I hope these are not illegal. They are actually the Canadian releases by Visual Entertainment. Only season 1 was released in the U.S. These were bought off eBay with explicit verification that these are authentic. I know they could be lying. It is possible this is a bootleg, but it's hard to imagine that anyone would actually take the time to duplicate something like this which isn't that popular. The individual season sets are in different packaging than the seasons included in this set -- which might explain why there isn't a UPC.
As far as the UPC goes, I had concerns about a DVD of Hidden Fortress Criterion that I bought off eBay. It had no UPC. When I emailed the seller, he said it came from a Akira Kurosawa - 4 Samurai Classics set. There was a picture at Amazon that verified that these actually did not have individual UPCs. It doesn't prove they weren't bootlegs, but doesn't guarantee they are either. Also, the argument that no UPC guarantees a bootleg never made sense to me. If they are going to illegally copy something, why stop at the UPC. I've gotten bootlegs before and everyone I got had a UPC.
I will go ahead and submit w/ D1 ID. Thanks for all your responses. I won't say it is illegal, I won't say it isn't. I would say that EBay is a near automatic red flag, many of the sellers there are purveyors of illegal goods. There is, right now, four people in Houston awaiting trial on piracy charges and where were they selling their illicit DVDs....EBay. There are far too many if, ands and maybes. I have even seen Amazon produce a Boxset of their own creation, whether they have a UPC or not, I don't know, I wouldn't buy them. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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