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| Registered: October 6, 2008 |  Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Coming over from DVDSpot, which handled discs without UPCs differently, has exposed a problem: Importing a DVD into Profiler with UPC 000000-000000 automatically links it with the cinematic masterpiece "Wet & Eighteen." The problem being that the back cover of that Jury Selection is, shall we say, rather explicit. So if one were to peruse my online collection and set upon "Mr. Mom" (Pizza Hut Edition), looking for "a funny, sweet, kind-hearted family comedy," (with thanks to MovieLuvaMatt on IMDb) one would discover a somewhat different experience. (I currently have my collection private for this very reason.) I have submitted an update profile for the Keaton/Garr comedy in hopes it will break the connection, but it could be helpful if this were addressed directly behind the scenes as well. Many thanks for your kind indulgence and possible assistance.  |
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| Registered: June 3, 2007 | | Posts: 333 |
| | Posted: | | | | In that case you're better off adding the discs by disc ID using your DVD drive (It's one of the tabs on the add dialog) and not trying to work with the blank UPC. If the profile doesn't exist you can create and submit it, that should take care of the issue for you.
If you don't have a DVD drive you can create a manual profile (another tab on the add dialog). You won't get anything from the online DB but at least you'll be pornfree.... |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | There is no such thing as the given UPC. If your DVD has no UPC then you can use the DiscId (enter the DVD into your DVD drive and let DVD Profiler detect it).
If that isn't an option either you can create a manual profile. Add by Title and remove the checkbox "Download from Invelos". | | | Karsten
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Snark: Quote:
In that case you're better off adding the discs by disc ID using your DVD drive (It's one of the tabs on the add dialog) and not trying to work with the blank UPC. If the profile doesn't exist you can create and submit it, that should take care of the issue for you.
If you don't have a DVD drive you can create a manual profile (another tab on the add dialog). You won't get anything from the online DB but at least you'll be pornfree.... I appreciate your response, Snark. And I have already IDd the profile by disc after it was imported. That correctly linked it to the existing profile for download--pictures, etc. But even if I correct the problem for myself, it still remains for someone else to deal with, who may not want "an eyeful." DVDProfiler has safeguards to shield folks from explicit content--and I appreciate that, as well--but this is a chink in the armor. | | | | Last edited: by CalebAndCo |
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
There is no such thing as the given UPC... There is in the DVD Profiler database. Hence the problem. | | | | Last edited: by CalebAndCo |
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| Registered: June 3, 2007 | | Posts: 333 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
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There is no such thing as the given UPC...
There is in the DVD Profiler database. Hence the problem. Ok, gotcha. Maybe the solution is to: A) For Invelos to delete the bogus UPC B) For Invelos to run the basic UPC checksum on disc submissions. It would make it less likely that someone could get a bogus (or simply erroneous) UPC through to the online DB. (How this would work for foriegn discs I don't know...) C) Possibly run a sweep of the existing DB for bogus profiles with the checksum test. This is a job for the allmighty Ken!  | | | | Last edited: by Snark |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | At the same time if somebody else has already entered the UPC # concerned into the online DB as a legitimate number be it a UPC/EAN or Disc ID...then I'm afraid to say that it's first come first serve as far as the online is concerned.
This has been the way of IVS and now Invelos for ages, and was the cause for some re-hashing of the program to be able to read the longer Disc ID's in the first place. When I first started using DVDP (about 4 years ago) I had no end of DVD's that were sold without a EAN but couldn't submit them either because of the old Disc ID duplication problem.
The only other way around your situation would be to use a manual profile, at least then when your parents viewed your online they wouldn't see the explicit material.
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Snark: Quote:
...Maybe the solution is to:
A) For Invelos to delete the bogus UPC
B) For Invelos to run the basic UPC checksum on disc submissions. It would make it less likely that someone could get a bogus (or simply erroneous) UPC through to the online DB. (How this would work for foriegn discs I don't know...)
C) Possibly run a sweep of the existing DB for bogus profiles with the checksum test.
This is a job for the allmighty Ken! Thanks for that. DVDSpot used to do the checksum validation and it would be a good idea for Profiler to do it as well. | | | | Last edited: by CalebAndCo |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Snark: Quote:
(How this would work for foriegn discs I don't know...) EANs as we call them here have a checksum, too. | | | Karsten
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting snarbo: Quote:
At the same time if somebody else has already entered the UPC # concerned into the online DB as a legitimate number be it a UPC/EAN or Disc ID...then I'm afraid to say that it's first come first serve as far as the online is concerned.
This has been the way of IVS and now Invelos for ages, and was the cause for some re-hashing of the program to be able to read the longer Disc ID's in the first place. When I first started using DVDP (about 4 years ago) I had no end of DVD's that were sold without a EAN but couldn't submit them either because of the old Disc ID duplication problem. I understand that, but due to the explicit nature of the title in question and its unfortunate placement as the very first of the fudged UPCs, it might warrant extraordinary measures. Quoting snarbo: Quote:
The only other way around your situation would be to use a manual profile, at least then when your parents viewed your online they wouldn't see the explicit material.
Steve I'm more concerned for my son and myself.  As stated before, I'm hopeful that my Profile completion will break the link. If not, I'll delete, reenter and re-sync. (Thanks for your reply.) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
DVDSpot used to do the checksum validation and it would be a good idea for Profiler to do it as well. Profiler does do so now, but when it was owned by IVS it didn't and the full IVS database was imported (at the request of users IIRC, though I was against the idea myself) rather than rebuilding the entire database from submissions. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote:
Quoting CalebAndCo:
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DVDSpot used to do the checksum validation and it would be a good idea for Profiler to do it as well.
Profiler does do so now, but when it was owned by IVS it didn't and the full IVS database was imported (at the request of users IIRC, though I was against the idea myself) rather than rebuilding the entire database from submissions. That's good to know; thanks. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | CalebAndCo
I've just downloaded the 2 profiles in the online with upc ean 000000-000000
The 1 you are concerned about without having seen the rear cover (my young teen son around at the moment) appears to be owned by users to these forum's from at least 3 different nations according to the submission data, with at least 2 more owning it by having had failed submissions...so asking for this upc to be erased by the owner "The Ken" might not be possible as it's not a port-over from the old IVS database.
The other title in the online but with a locality of Hong Kong is does appear to be an illegal entry as it's a HD release for "Kung Fu Panda" which would or at least should have a legitimate UPC/EAN this has been submitted by a Dutch user, and going on the contribution notes should have been rejected IMHO since it was submitted without a valid UPC/EAN.
So the only way forward that I can see for you with the Title in your collection would be to submit it under your Disc ID and obviously set the "Change UPC" in profiler to display the Disc ID as well so when viewed online it will at least point to your DVD and not to "wet & eighteen"
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks for checking that, Steve. My submission is Received pending votes. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | ANY entry with UPC #000000-000000 needs to be removed since they are not legitimate UPC #'s. WE do not make up UPC #'s in Profiler Land. Nor are Contributions for bootlegged titles, such as Kung Fu Panda to be acdcepted or made.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting snarbo: Quote:
CalebAndCo
I've just downloaded the 2 profiles in the online with upc ean 000000-000000
The 1 you are concerned about without having seen the rear cover (my young teen son around at the moment) appears to be owned by users to these forum's from at least 3 different nations according to the submission data, with at least 2 more owning it by having had failed submissions...so asking for this upc to be erased by the owner "The Ken" might not be possible as it's not a port-over from the old IVS database.
There's no UPC whatsoever on the back cover. Oddly the screeners accepted a deletion contribution then accepted an update that presumably entered the adult data.  | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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