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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agreed with goodguy. Listing "X Files" will cause end user problems. I still hold the circle is a part of the title as listed and we shoudl check the copyright notice to see how to represent this in text. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goodguy: Quote:
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Given the rules we have, I can't argue against the decision made here.
I could, but I won't. Hint: The circled X is a graphical gimmick.
I thought the same, the graphic circle on front cover was an artistic way to simulate the hyphen, supported by the overview and copyrights on rear cover which show X-Files. But as with others I'll lock mine down with the hyphen locally, it is easier than arguing here  | | |  |
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  | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's a new twist I didn't reckon with. For a while back someone changed all the M-lock seasons into X Files, Locality UK. As far as I can see with all yes votes. I didn't vote no because I couldn't see the '-' anywhere in the title on the front cover, neither in the opening title. The contribution was all within the Rules, so I couldn't vote no. When I bought the movie and season 1, both the Dutch releases I stumbled on a problem. Those were all with the '-'. I changed that in line with the UK releases and the Rules (at least I thought so). Maybe the circle around the X represents a '-', but I think that's a little far fetched. Technically we should use an X with a circle like ®. I don't know, I'm a little confused now  | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: December 13, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goodguy: Quote:
I could, but I won't. Hint: The circled X is a graphical gimmick. Quoting richierich: Quote:
I thought the same, the graphic circle on front cover was an artistic way to simulate the hyphen, supported by the overview and copyrights on rear cover which show X-Files. Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
I still hold the circle is a part of the title as listed and we shoudl check the copyright notice to see how to represent this in text. So it seems it's not as obvious as it looked like in the beginning. I'd be greatful if therefore you do argue your point. It's quite possible after all that this graphical gimmick is something the x file-voters haven't taken into consideration yet. So far the contributiions of season 1 (discs) and season 2 have received 2 yes-votes and 0 no-votes. This suggests to me that quite a few people are reluctant to vote (yes), mind you that's just me guessing because I figure that a whole bunch of people have these titles. If the The X-Files is a legitimate interpretation of the rules (maybe as well as The X Files), then obviously it could stay and there would be no need for a whole lot of people locking profiles. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | The X in the circle isn't meant to represent the official title. It's a logo on a cover. The official text version of the title is splattered all over the set. Just not in places the rules allow us to use. This is clearly a case (to me) where we've tightened the rules down so much that we're required to enter incorrect data.
To be honest, I wish Ken / Geri / Invelos would step in at this point and make an exception. Because as Goodguy correctly points out, entering this incorrectly because of the rules makes a title lookup harder to perform. That would be a lot quicker and easier than trying to get a rule modified. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
The X in the circle isn't meant to represent the official title. It's a logo on a cover. The official text version of the title is splattered all over the set. Just not in places the rules allow us to use. This is clearly a case (to me) where we've tightened the rules down so much that we're required to enter incorrect data.
To be honest, I wish Ken / Geri / Invelos would step in at this point and make an exception. Because as Goodguy correctly points out, entering this incorrectly because of the rules makes a title lookup harder to perform. That would be a lot quicker and easier than trying to get a rule modified. I am sorry, but that simply isn't true. I just tried it. No matter what the Region or Locality settings, when I searched by title, typing in 'The X' brings up both variations immediately. Either 'The X Files' or 'The X-Files', followed by a huge list of the same, is immediately shown. I have yet to find them starting lower than second on the list. The only time it didn't come up was when it wasn't available in that locality. While there may be issues with some titles, when trying to 'add by title', there isn't with this one. Didn't anybody check before they made that claim or am I missing something here?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 863 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
No matter what the Region or Locality settings, when I searched by title, typing in 'The X' brings up both variations immediately. Either 'The X Files' or 'The X-Files', followed by a huge list of the same, is immediately shown.
I can't check right now as i'm not on a computer with Profiler, but won't most people search for 'X-Files', instead of 'The X'. I know i would. Paul |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 287 |
| | Posted: | | | | I thinks it should be "X-Files".
Look at the back of the booklet, there it says: "The X-Files"....and their associated logos are the property of Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation.
That clearly states the graphical logo should be associated with "The X-Files". |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting paulb_99: Quote:
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No matter what the Region or Locality settings, when I searched by title, typing in 'The X' brings up both variations immediately. Either 'The X Files' or 'The X-Files', followed by a huge list of the same, is immediately shown.
I can't check right now as i'm not on a computer with Profiler, but won't most people search for 'X-Files', instead of 'The X'. I know i would.
Paul I don't know what most peoplw would search for, all I know is that isn't what I would search for as it isn't the title of the show. The title, with or without the hyphen, starts with a 'The' so that is what I used.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 863 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting paulb_99:
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No matter what the Region or Locality settings, when I searched by title, typing in 'The X' brings up both variations immediately. Either 'The X Files' or 'The X-Files', followed by a huge list of the same, is immediately shown.
I can't check right now as i'm not on a computer with Profiler, but won't most people search for 'X-Files', instead of 'The X'. I know i would.
Paul
I don't know what most peoplw would search for, all I know is that isn't what I would search for as it isn't the title of the show. The title, with or without the hyphen, starts with a 'The' so that is what I used. Isn't 'the' mostly left out when cataloging and searching? I know libraries and stores when alphanetizing ignore, correctly in my opinion, the 'the'. Paul |
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| Registered: December 13, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally I think most would search with "x-files" not "the x", but that's just me. I never search with "The". There is no way for any of us to know what most would do.
I'm not sure that this is relevant though. Since I joined this community several monthes ago I've read hundreds and hundreds of posts and I can't remember anything ever being decided by that kind of criterium. It's all about what the rules do or don't allow. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mallrat: Quote:
Personally I think most would search with "x-files" not "the x", but that's just me. I never search with "The". There is no way for any of us to know what most would do. I will admit that I never thought to search without the 'The'. As I said, since it is part of the title, that is what I used. If you drop the 'The', then yes, dropping the hyphen will mess up a title search. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | FYI: I have never ever done a search on anything (both in the DVD Profiler universe and anywhere else) by typing in the word 'The' first - I always leave it off, without even thinking about it. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am the complete opposite. Different strokes I guess. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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