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Should boxsets have a CoO? |
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  | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
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The contribution rules explicitly list each and every field that should not be entered for box set profiles. CoO is not one of them, so it can be entered.
So I can add Sound Engineers as well, because the Rules doesn't say it can't be entered?
No you can't!
And that's because the rules explicitly say so.
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Do not use credits for the box set - Credits will be listed on the individual profiles. I evidently didn't mean in a box set but in general. Besides it was meant sarcastically  | | | | Cor |
| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,878 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules do not specify anything regarding CoO and box sets. It's not listed among those things that are to be excluded from the profile. In fact, CoO is not dealt with at all in the rules.
I add them every time for sets whose contents share the same country. The rules do not say that I am not supposed to.
Since I am forced to have blank entries for co-productions and many films whose countries are not listed, I want the box sets to have countries so that I can sort out the films that I am forced to have no country listed for.
Now, all that being said, I'm not necessarily against an alteration of the rules regarding CoO and box sets, with that alteration being to not list one. What I would like to see is that such an alteration come with changes in the program toward addressing the films that currently cannot have a country listed - and that alteration could be as simple as adding "Multiple" and "Other" to the drop down menu. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
Okay let's see if i follow this logic correctly. Let's tale James Bond Boxset. The Boxset, at least here, would be produced by TCFHE, therefore the COO for the Boxset would US, it can't be Eon (UK) because they make movies not Boxsets. Therefore it might even be possible to have a James Bond Boxset with a COO of Australia or France. Sorry, but this assumption is incorrect. Since when do we use the location of the media for the CoO? If I would follow your argument it wouldn't matter if we're talking about boxsets or single DVDs the CoO would always be the country in which the media releasing company is located.  I really don't care either way, but Tim has a valid point (provided that all movies in the boxset have the same CoO), while Skip probably mixed up locality and CoO. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | For any field not explicitly forbidden or otherwise dealt with in the box set rules, I handle it the following way:
Any information which is valid for every child of the box set is entered to the box set profile as well. If the info is different for each child, I leave the field empty.
I use this concept at least for country of origin, genre, media companies, region, video format. Actually for regions, I use the smallest subset of the regions of the children, but you get the concept. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
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Okay let's see if i follow this logic correctly. Let's tale James Bond Boxset. The Boxset, at least here, would be produced by TCFHE, therefore the COO for the Boxset would US, it can't be Eon (UK) because they make movies not Boxsets. Therefore it might even be possible to have a James Bond Boxset with a COO of Australia or France.
Sorry, but this assumption is incorrect.
Since when do we use the location of the media for the CoO? If I would follow your argument it wouldn't matter if we're talking about boxsets or single DVDs the CoO would always be the country in which the media releasing company is located.
I really don't care either way, but Tim has a valid point (provided that all movies in the boxset have the same CoO), while Skip probably mixed up locality and CoO. Goblins: Coo is Producing Country correct? For a James Bond Boxset released by TCFHE, where did the Boxset get Produced, in the UK? Hardly. The Boxset has no real pertinence to COO, that would apply to the individual films. I understand the personal preference for some users wanting to use it, some will be real reasons, some will be that they have found some way to gum up the works or leave THEIR imprimatur on the database. What does COO of the boxset say to me...nothing, it's a Boxset not a movie, we don't list features, Audio, Video data nor anything else for the same reasons, that sdata belongs to the film NOT the Box, not to mention that it can vary from film to film, so can COO. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
Coo is Producing Country correct? It's the producing country (countries) of the movie(s), otherwise 21 Grams would in Germany be a german movie, because the DVD got produced by "Constantin Film", a german company that bought the release rights here. So other than stated the country where the package or the DVD got produced is of no relevance for the CoO. The only relevance is to be seen in the question: where is the main production company of the movie(s) located. So your James Bond Box Set released by TCFHE might still have a CoO UK, provided that all included movies have the same (UK) CoO. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I see your logic, not sure i agree with it though.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: February 10, 2008 | | Posts: 244 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with goblinsdoitall... CoO should always refer to the movie- and not the package or boxset-producer... else you could argue to use the country of the package-producer even for single-movie-releases... |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Indeed. Especially since we already HAVE a field for that: Locality. |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | CoO stands for the country where the movie is produced in, not the boxset  I would not add the CoO to the Boxset, but I also say it is not forbidden, I would never vote No if sommeone enters it, as it is not covered by the rules cheers Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
I would not add the CoO to the Boxset, but I also say it is not forbidden, I would never vote No if sommeone enters it, as it is not covered by the rules That's exactly my take on it; I don't add it and don't think it's appropriate but until the Rules say something I wouldn't vote 'No' unless the contents in the box actually did come from multiple CoOs. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's how I handle it as well. |
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