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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | How do we determine an original title for a film that goes by different names around the world?
This would be based on the Modified Title section of the rules.
Specifically I am speaking about the Morgan Freeman movie Edison, AKA Edison City or Edison Force.
CLT Results Edison=26 Edison City=3 Edison City of Crime=1 Edison Force=6
Back in 2004 there were news reports that it was going to be called Edison. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2004-02-10-justin-timberlake-movies_x.htm http://www.mtv.com/news/1484926/justin-timberlake-signs-on-for-first-big-screen-acting-role/
It was shown at the Toronto Film Festival as "Edison" and after getting panned the US theatrical run was cancelled before it began and went straight to DVD with a name change to Edison Force. http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/pictures/justin-timberlakes-most-memorable-film--tv-roles-2012271/20348
Because right now this film is entered in the database with 4 different names, some and some not using an Original Title.
So what (if anything) would be the original title? |
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Registered: November 24, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,282 |
| Posted: | | | | Either 'Edison' or 'Edison Force'. Certainly not the others. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_(film)As 'Edison' was the title when originally shown (at the Toronto Film Festival) maybe it should be 'Edison'. 'Edison Force' was the title given to the home video release. (Although it apparently didn't get a cinema release). Make it a poll and we might get a decision. | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | But you can't break the rules doing so... as the rules tells you where to get the original title from... Rules Quote: Quote: The Original Title field serves two general purposes, but in both cases allows for the tracking of the original feature title. For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits. For titles released outside their country of origin, use the original release title. In cases where the title is the original title, leave the Original Title field blank. See the sentence I put in bold. | | | Pete |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Shown at a FF in 2005 as Edison makes the original title Edison. The same situation as Below Utopia shown at 2007 Cannes FF and released as Body Count - original title is still Below Utopia. Killbotz 1986 changed to Chopping Mall - original title Killbotz. | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: But you can't break the rules doing so... as the rules tells you where to get the original title from...
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Quote: The Original Title field serves two general purposes, but in both cases allows for the tracking of the original feature title. For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits. For titles released outside their country of origin, use the original release title. In cases where the title is the original title, leave the Original Title field blank.
See the sentence I put in bold. that rule works for There's Something More About Mary (There's Something About Mary), The Num8ers Station (The Numbers Station), Lucky # Slevin (Lucky Number Slevin) and so on. But doesn't work for films with a complete name change after their initial release. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | But at the same time the rules don't make that difference. | | | Pete |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | The Original Title field serves two general purposes, but in both cases allows for the tracking of the original feature title. For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits. For titles released outside their country of origin, use the original release title. In cases where the title is the original title, leave the Original Title field blank.
actually this whole rule really doesn't take into account the original title. It only wants the feature title from the film credits (even if it is a re-release title of a previous film) that is what the rule is calling a original title.
So Star Wars is not the original title for the Reissue Title Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope because it is on the case and the title feature. | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Just pointing out what the rules are calling for. I don't concern myself with the outcome. In my opinion everything in the online database must be per the rules or per Ken's statements otherwise. There is a lot of things in the rules that don't make sense to me... but I still contribute per the rules or Ken's statements/clarifications. | | | Pete |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Just pointing out what the rules are calling for. I don't concern myself with the outcome. In my opinion everything in the online database must be per the rules or per Ken's statements otherwise. There is a lot of things in the rules that don't make sense to me... but I still contribute per the rules or Ken's statements/clarifications. then why have the CLT or common name by profiles when you can have multiple original titles of the same film that skew the results? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I said that from the very beginning when the CLT was introduced. Don't change anything just because it makes little if any sense. Many things in the rules is the same way. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | I think it may depend on what we're using as the production year. If you use the year in which it premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival, 2005, then I'd consider the original title to be 'Edison', because that's what it was called then. If, however, the direct–to–video releasedate on July 18, 2006 counts as the production year for our purposes, then I'd go with *that* 'Edison Force' title as well, because, again, that's what it was called then. |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: I think it may depend on what we're using as the production year. If you use the year in which it premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival, 2005, then I'd consider the original title to be 'Edison', because that's what it was called then. If, however, the direct–to–video releasedate on July 18, 2006 counts as the production year for our purposes, then I'd go with *that* 'Edison Force' title as well, because, again, that's what it was called then. If the FF date is used (which has been the norm for years) - it affects 1 title = Edison If the FF isn't used, it means all the other titles with FF produced years that differ from traditional theatrical release would now have to change produced years = 1000s maybe 10000s. It would make all Film Festivals irrelevant. | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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