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Group divider for novels name
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantDigitalGhost
Registered: March 13, 2007
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Is this a correct use of group dividers?

Writing:
Alan Ball (1957): Created By
Based on the Sookie Stackhouse Novels by      <---- group divider
Charlaine Harris: Original Material By
Brian Buckner: Writer
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"Also use Group dividers for crew teams, included only if the crew meets the other listing requirements."

Charlaine Harris isn't a crew team.

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Unfortunately it is not supported by the Rules, so no it's not a valid divider contribution.
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Thanks. I was not sure what to vote on that contribution.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNexus the Sixth
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Quoting GreyHulk:
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Unfortunately


Really?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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Quoting DigitalGhost:
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Is this a correct use of group dividers?

No, the name of the book(s) should not be put into a divider. Just as the name of the original song someone has written shouldn't be put into a divider. Neither should the fact that someone is credited as Mr. De Niro's personal make-up artist result in a group divider with Mr. De Niro's name. These examples are all exactly the same: be it the name of the book(s), the name of the song(s), the name of the actor(s) - in all those cases, such additional context only belongs in the "Custom Role" field, and absolutely nowhere else. And no, I wouldn't call that "unfortunate" in the least.

Note that there are few users who insist on using them for song names, and if you allow that, you'll have to allow them all. Again: they're all exactly the same, whether it's the name of the book someone has written, the name of the song someone has written, or the name of the actor for which someone is a makeup artist. It's all exactly the same kind of context, and if someone argues that one of them does warrant the use of a group divider, then whatever reasoning for that equally applies to the other examples as well. Either we use group dividers for all of them, or for none of them. But you simply can't tell people that one is allowed and the other is not - there just no such distinction. And if it's all, we may as well do away with the "Custom Role" field altogether - we can preceed pretty much EVERY crew credit with a group divider instead... 
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributormreeder50
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What's the point of tracking Song Writers at all if we don't know what songs they wrote. That just doesn't make any sense. Yes, I am one of those who contributes Song Titles. To date, they have all been approved.
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What's the point of tracking Song Writers at all if we don't know what songs they wrote. That just doesn't make any sense.

You can tell the songs they wrote by watching the film.  It's the same way you can tell what lines each screenwriter contributed when the script is a collaboration.

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What's the point of tracking Song Writers at all if we don't know what songs they wrote.

Similarly, one could ask: what's the point of tracking personal makeup artists if we don't know whose personal makeup artist they were? And what's the point of listing someone as "Original Material By" if we don't know what original material they wrote? Again: either we use dividers for all that kind of context, or we don't. But you can't single out one group, as the reasoning applies equally to all these examples. You seem to use dividers for one of these examples, but not for the others - at the very least, that's inconsistent. The rules certainly don't make that distinction: it's all or nothing. Either we put the context in the custom role field, or we put it into dividers - but then we should do it accross the board, not just for songs.

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To date, they have all been approved.

Incorrect IMDb-mined data continues to be approved every single day. Does that make it right? Please, let's not go there...

The fact of the matter is, that if you support dividers for song names, then there's no basis to refuse them for book names or similar context for personal makeup artists - and lots more! They're all exactly the same thing: each time, it's context that only belongs in the custom role field, not in a divider. Again, any line of reasoning that supports using dividers in the case of song names, equally applies to these other examples, and again, the rules certainly don't make such a distinction. At absolutely no point do the rules specify that it's okay to use a divider for the name of a song, but not for the name of a book - they just don't. By all means, correct me if I'm wrong. No, either they all get dividers, or they all don't.
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Completely agree with T!M. Group dividers are called that way for a reason.
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Quoting T!M:
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The fact of the matter is, that if you support dividers for song names, then there's no basis to refuse them for book names or similar context for personal makeup artists - and lots more! They're all exactly the same thing

And to add to that, one cannot even use group dividers for all songs because many songs are written by an individual and crew teams don't even come into play.  So for the sake of consistency (which Ken has said should be one of our goals) we should avoid using group dividers for song titles, etc. because they cannot be used consistently without violating the rules.

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One last statement and I'm done. I use custom roles to denote all those crew positions. This is a movie database so I don't have to put the DVD/Blu-ray in and find that particular section. I use DVDP to look-up information about movies all the time. My family and friends ask a question about a movie and 95% of the time I can come up with the answer by looking at the profile. Done.
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This is a movie database


No it is not. This is a database for DVDs and BluRays and the main goal is to collect all the data relevant to these media (e.g. audio formats, region coding, feature length, bonus materials, etc.) and only basic information about the content.

If you want a good movie database I'd recommend IMDb.com. There you can find all the information you are looking for.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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Quoting Discostu:
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This is a database for DVDs and BluRays

No, it is not. Dvdprofiler is unable to store data for many sorts of DVD and blu-ray: games, music, GPS, all sort of files using programs as excel, word...,  but it is perfect to collect movies data : cast and crew, country of origin, studios, screen ratio ... You can even get photo of actors and screen caps from movies. Definitively a movie database, and it is how I use it, though I cannot use it for my others dvds. I would be curious to learn how you collect data for excel files in dvdprofiler.

IMDb is not a database that I can use to collect my movies, since we cannot enter any personal information. I cannot understand how you can recommand it to sort, search and filter among your own collection. If you can do this, please tell me.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
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I agree with mreeder50 and surfeur51, this is a movie/tv series database. If it were a Disc based database then we wouldn't care one bit about cast & crew. We wouldn't try to find common names or needed birth years. Or search for good headshots?

Perhaps, years ago it was primarily a disc database, but it has now morphed into a combo disc/cast & crew database.

What is more important the disc itself or the program contained on it? Does one collect films released by a certain studio or of a favorite actor?

Sure, we buy the programs on disc, but we don't buy any disc released. We buy the disc because the program is something that we want to watch and own. The disc is just the media that it's contained on.
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I would say it is both - a program primarily aimed at cataloging data on disc-based movies and TV series.

P.S.
Why not take this from the horse's mouth? The Invelos product page calls it, and I quote,  "the most compelling source of DVD information anywhere". Well, that includes both technical data on discs and information on the DVD contents: movies and TV series.
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