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Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,870 |
| Posted: | | | | At 2:03:40 in the ed credits there is
Score Co-Composed by David Wanker
My assumption is that this is a credited composer.
In the beginning credits Harold Loser is credited as "Score Composed By"
Also has it been determined yet if we credit locations? Such as when credits separate the different filming locations? |
| Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,805 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote: At 2:03:40 in the ed credits there is
Score Co-Composed by David Wanker
My assumption is that this is a credited composer.
In the beginning credits Harold Loser is credited as "Score Composed By" "Co-" is not a valid listed credit within the rules for Crew, so going by that, David Wanker would not get a credit in the system (I think not crediting Co anything is silly, but that's me...). Quoting Scooter1836: Quote: Also has it been determined yet if we credit locations? Such as when credits separate the different filming locations? Beats me and good luck finding a consensus. Unit Crew isn't allowed, so if the crew you want to credit falls under Unit, they can't, by the rules, be entered into the online (go nuts in your local). However, there's tons of debate over what constitutes Unit. That's probably the best answer you're going to get. | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote: Also has it been determined yet if we credit locations? Such as when credits separate the different filming locations? There is a difference between location crew and unit crew, even if the former sometimes uses the word 'unit'...Australia Unit as an example...so I always include them. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,870 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting Scooter1836:
Quote: Also has it been determined yet if we credit locations? Such as when credits separate the different filming locations? There is a difference between location crew and unit crew, even if the former sometimes uses the word 'unit'...Australia Unit as an example...so I always include them. I agree and in this case they are not even consistant One says "New York" another says "Los Angeles Unit". But I agree those are not second or third units, those are just additional crew at filming locations. This particular film was filmed on location in several locations across the world. |
| Registered: December 22, 2008 | Posts: 87 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote: I think not crediting Co anything is silly, but that's me... No, it's not just you. Most independent European productions don't follow the Hollywood union code; so because of the large amount of "Co"-Productions, most Producers get a "Co"-Producer credit, simply based on the fact that they are "co"llaborating with each other and feel they should all have an equal description that stresses the fact, that they were working together. Unfortunately those are often gut decisions, that have no written basis or function description, so I won't argue about such cases. I know why there is opposition against including Co-Producers and Co-Executive Producers, and I still remember the nightmares I had while profiling some season of "Frasier" with about eight out of 16 producer credits, being "Co"-something (not even counting Associate P., Counsulting P., or Executive Consutants, that once were regular producers...). It can get really, really annoying... Quoting Scooter1836: Quote: Beats me and good luck finding a consensus. Unit Crew isn't allowed, so if the crew you want to credit falls under Unit, they can't, by the rules, be entered into the online (go nuts in your local). However, there's tons of debate over what constitutes Unit. That's probably the best answer you're going to get. It actually is the best answer you'll get. There's no consensus. I don't accept "unit" crew (2nd, 3rd, Aerial or whatever), but I do accept "location" crew, even if it's called "location unit" – but I might be a minority. Personally I'd don't see why we wouldn't track the location units, that regularly work with the "Main Unit". You simply don't take your whole crew with you, if you're filming abroad – that'd be too expensive, and you'd even loose tax benefits, if you don't use local crew (they do have unions too, that's not just an US thing...). You should take a chance and contribute location crew, and than see what the voters say, and how the Screeners will decide. Worst case: you'll have to save your profile (for local restoration), strip some entries and recontribute the cannibalized profile after seven days. It certainly is a pain in the a**, but that's how some things work here... we all have masochistic tendencies, that's how you survive the asylum |
| Registered: December 22, 2008 | Posts: 87 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote: But I agree those are not second or third units, those are just additional crew at filming locations. This particular film was filmed on location in several locations across the world. I should write shorter postings... That's one major point. Filming abroad, you'll take your Director and DoP with you, often a Producer or some other kind of Production Supervisor, but usually you won't take your whole Art crew (Art Director, Makeup, Hair, SFX) with you, that's crew that is hired locally, that'll try to uphold the look you've established, but that will come up with own solutions and ideas, how to make their parts fit into the whole movie. They do have an influence, on how the completed film will look like in the end. It's not only about shooting backgrounds and transitions, what often is the main part of 2nd or aerial units. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting M_E: Quote: You should take a chance and contribute location crew, and than see what the voters say, and how the Screeners will decide. I have yet to have location crew, listed under a divider, rejected by the voters or the screeners, so I agree, give it a shot and see what happens. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting M_E:
Quote: You should take a chance and contribute location crew, and than see what the voters say, and how the Screeners will decide. I have yet to have location crew, listed under a divider, rejected by the voters or the screeners, so I agree, give it a shot and see what happens. This has been my observation also. I do highlight the fact that I am adding location crew to alert both the screeners and voters to that fact. |
| Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,870 |
| Posted: | | | | I can see not allowing co-producers, co-executive produces which are explicitly laid out. But Co-Composer still seems a bit different to me. I will do the locations though. I have seen that done and have seen threads about it. Quoting M_E: Quote:
That's one major point. Filming abroad, you'll take your Director and DoP with you, often a Producer or some other kind of Production Supervisor, but usually you won't take your whole Art crew (Art Director, Makeup, Hair, SFX) with you, that's crew that is hired locally, that'll try to uphold the look you've established, but that will come up with own solutions and ideas, how to make their parts fit into the whole movie. They do have an influence, on how the completed film will look like in the end. It's not only about shooting backgrounds and transitions, what often is the main part of 2nd or aerial units.
And I think that is the major difference with a second unit. Typically a second or third unit has it's own director and such, doing the directorial "grunt work" so to speak. |
| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | I always make a custom tag for 'additional music by' then lock it local (now the program locks for me, thanks program!). I think the co-composer probably falls under the same thinking. It's important enough to have, but not in the rules to submit. For these I'd make a "local crew notes" on the submission to let others know he is there and you kept him locally. Some others will want him also, some won't, everyone should be happy after the vote. |
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