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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | There has been a discussion in the contribution rules forum concerning the profiling of 3d/2d or 3d/2d/DVD combination sets.
The core question is how do we want to profile these sets
here are the 2 basic options
1 Do we profile the main disc type (lets say 3d) in the parent profile, including all the information from the main disc type only, then profile the subordinate discs as children (2d/dvd).
This option is basically how we profile BD(HD)/dvd sets now.
2. Combine the contents of all BD(HD) media into the parent, including all audio and video information from all bd media into the parent, then optionally profile the discs as children profile.
There are a number of people that prefer option 2. They say it allows them to see all the bd information in the parent profile, without having to load the optional children profile.
There are people that prefer option 1, because they like having a division of the information, and feel that option 2 is going to be overly complicated.
There is a 3rd option, which I will throw here, it probably will not get many votes, but we will see
3. Treat it as a box set, only having the base information in the parent, and profile all discs as children. | | | | Last edited: by CharlieM |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Probably option 2, though locally I'm doing option 3. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 485 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, I treat 3D/2D combo's myself basically like option 1. Likewise BluRay/DVD combo's; I buy it for the BluRay, not the marketing gimmick that is the idea behind the BR/DVD combo.
The issue I have with option 2 is that I like it, but DVDprofiler would ideally show what disk has which feature. Like 3D disks that have no subtitles but the 2D has, which languages are on the BR and which on the DVD. And the most silliest (from my perspective) is that the BR may be region free but the DVD is region restricted. So what applies to what? So, I like it, but only if the program adapts for it. Which is basically saying: option 3, but not the full works of a box set.
So option 3, but given the quite high volume of combo's out there, I think it would turn the smplicity of DVD profiler upside down. Just the consequences of the marketing gimmick.
Anyways, option 2 and 3 are also the most complete as far as documentation goes, which is good for the *nally retentive (I think that was the phrase) but a big PITA for everyone just doing 'a bit of contributin'. Which leaves me option 1...
Just my thinking... | | | Eric
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Option 1 keeps each disc's specifications in its own profile, which is simple and what we're used to.
Option 2 puts data from one disc into the profile of another disc, and will require some rather complicated changes to the rules.
Option 3 would require us to redefine the term "box set" and seems totally unnecessary.
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | So if we treat the 3D disc as the parent, would we list dimension info for that disc only? My main concern with this proposal is we would make a profile that allegedly profiles the 3D disc only, but it would have both 3D & 2D checked since a 2D disc is also in the set. This would lose the info about the dimension options of 3D disc and keep it from coming up if you were trying to filter for discs that didn't work in 2D. |
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| Registered: March 23, 2011 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
So if we treat the 3D disc as the parent, would we list dimension info for that disc only? My main concern with this proposal is we would make a profile that allegedly profiles the 3D disc only, but it would have both 3D & 2D checked since a 2D disc is also in the set. This would lose the info about the dimension options of 3D disc and keep it from coming up if you were trying to filter for discs that didn't work in 2D. That's one of the reasons why I want the 2D as the parent and 3D and DVD as children. At least 2D as parent should be an option in the poll (as I have said before). This will also make the rules changes as simple as possible. | | | | Last edited: by No-way |
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| Registered: March 23, 2011 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just a quick question. What's the difference between "disc type" and "media type" ? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
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That's one of the reasons why I want the 2D as the parent and 3D and DVD as children. At least 2D as parent should be an option in the poll (as I have said before). This will also make the rules changes as simple as possible. Nobody has put that option in the poll because, as far as I can tell, the people making the polls don't believe that is a viable option. If you want that as an option, you should probably create a poll with that option. Quote:
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| Registered: March 23, 2011 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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Just a quick question. What's the difference between "disc type" and "media type" ?
For the purposes of this poll, they are one and the same. That's what I thought.  |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
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That's one of the reasons why I want the 2D as the parent and 3D and DVD as children. At least 2D as parent should be an option in the poll (as I have said before). This will also make the rules changes as simple as possible. I have no issue with this either. I would prefer to profile it as marketed, but that went out when Ken said to profile the BD/HD content as the parent. (There are Disney releases that market the DVD with the BD as a "Bonus") I even put in parenthesis "Lets say 3d", to imply that may not be the final outcome. What this poll really is asking Do we profile in the parent a single disc, or do we profile a mix of all BD/HD content in the parent? Charlie |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally I don't think option 3 should be there at all
Unless people are prepared to convince Ken to rewrite the box set rules and apply them to BD/DVD combo's as well for consistancy. Basically allowing box sets to contain the same film and require the child profiles. |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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That's one of the reasons why I want the 2D as the parent and 3D and DVD as children. At least 2D as parent should be an option in the poll (as I have said before). This will also make the rules changes as simple as possible.
Nobody has put that option in the poll because, as far as I can tell, the people making the polls don't believe that is a viable option. If you want that as an option, you should probably create a poll with that option.
Personally the 2D as the parent makes no sense. The differentiator in the release is the 3D, but the 2D and are usually marketed as 3D Now given that in combo sets are supposed to have optional child profiles the parent for the 3D/BD/DVD combo will be the same as the BD/DVD combo release. |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
So if we treat the 3D disc as the parent, would we list dimension info for that disc only? My main concern with this proposal is we would make a profile that allegedly profiles the 3D disc only, but it would have both 3D & 2D checked since a 2D disc is also in the set. This would lose the info about the dimension options of 3D disc and keep it from coming up if you were trying to filter for discs that didn't work in 2D. The problem with either the 2D or 3D alone as the parent is the fact that it makes the children required to see the context of the release This clarification from Ken states that based on the box set rules they both get set in the parent. http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=605875&PageNum=1&messageID=1766305#M1766305 Just like all media types. We have to remember the rules on the combo sets are a sub section of the box set rules themselves. EDIT: if you look at the forums back in 2011 and early 2012 it was things like this that led us where were are on how we profile these today. Today we merge the HD data except the parent has the audio and subtitles from the 3D disc. The main concerns for the features and such being there on the parent for those who do not like child profiles. | | | | Last edited: by Scooter1836 |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,749 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can't vote, because at the moment, I use a combination of 1 & 3. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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