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Ben-Hur Uncredited Cast Question
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Hello friends....  I have a question about applying uncredited Cast members to this title.

The proflle listing for the first release of Ben-Hur (1959) on DVD (012569-550629) from 2001 includes several entries for uncredited Cast members.  The Contribution Notes for this profile do not say where the uncrediteds come from, but a quick look and comparison at IMDb.com suggests that this may be the source.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052618/

The later profiles for the Fiftieth Anniversary edition of Ben-Hur (883929-209453) from 2011 do not include these uncredited Cast members.  My question is should the newer profiles for Ben-Hur also have the same entries as the previous profiles for the uncredited Cast members, with IMDb named as the source, or would this be rejected by most of the Users of DVD Profiler?

Thanks for your suggestions!
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Here is one legitimate (IMO) source for uncredited cast members for Ben-Hur:

Ben-Hur Program

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Quoting scotthm:
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Here is one legitimate (IMO) source for uncredited cast members for Ben-Hur:

Ben-Hur Program

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I've transcribed those uncredited into the UK Blu-ray profile, but unfortunately can't contribute from my current location. Everyone please feel free to contribute the following to your locality:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
<CastInformation>
  <Title>Ben-Hur: 3-Disc Ultimate Collector&apos;s Edition</Title>
  <Actors>
    <Actor FirstName="Charlton" MiddleName="" LastName="Heston" BirthYear="0" Role="Judah Ben-Hur" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="false"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Jack" MiddleName="" LastName="Hawkins" BirthYear="0" Role="Quintus Arrius" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="false"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Haya" MiddleName="" LastName="Harareet" BirthYear="0" Role="Esther" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="false"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Stephen" MiddleName="" LastName="Boyd" BirthYear="0" Role="Messala" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="false"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Hugh" MiddleName="" LastName="Griffith" BirthYear="0" Role="Sheik Ilderim" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="false"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Martha" MiddleName="" LastName="Scott" BirthYear="0" Role="Miriam" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="false"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Cathy" MiddleName="" LastName="O&apos;Donnell" BirthYear="0" Role="Tirzah" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="false"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Sam" MiddleName="" LastName="Jaffe" BirthYear="0" Role="Simonides" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="false"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Finlay" MiddleName="" LastName="Currie" BirthYear="0" Role="Balthasar" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="false"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Frank" MiddleName="" LastName="Thring" BirthYear="0" Role="Pontius Pilate" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="false"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Terence" MiddleName="" LastName="Longdon" BirthYear="0" Role="Drusus" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="false"/>
    <Actor FirstName="George" MiddleName="" LastName="Relph" BirthYear="0" Role="Tiberius" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="false"/>
    <Actor FirstName="André" MiddleName="" LastName="Morell" BirthYear="0" Role="Sextus" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="false"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Marina" MiddleName="" LastName="Berti" BirthYear="0" Role="Flavia" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Adi" MiddleName="" LastName="Berber" BirthYear="0" Role="Malluch" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Stella" MiddleName="" LastName="Vitelleschi" BirthYear="0" Role="Amrah" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Jose" MiddleName="" LastName="Greci" BirthYear="0" Role="Mary" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Laurence" MiddleName="" LastName="Payne" BirthYear="0" Role="Joseph" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="John" MiddleName="" LastName="Horsley" BirthYear="0" Role="Spintho" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Richard" MiddleName="" LastName="Coleman" BirthYear="0" Role="Metellus" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Duncan" MiddleName="" LastName="Lamont" BirthYear="0" Role="Marius" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Ralph" MiddleName="" LastName="Truman" BirthYear="0" Role="Aide to Tiberius" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Richard" MiddleName="" LastName="Hale" BirthYear="0" Role="Gaspar" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Reginald" MiddleName="Lal" LastName="Singh" BirthYear="0" Role="Melchior" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="David" MiddleName="" LastName="Davies" BirthYear="0" Role="Quaestor" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Dervis" MiddleName="" LastName="Ward" BirthYear="0" Role="Jailer" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Claude" MiddleName="" LastName="Heater" BirthYear="0" Role="The Christ" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Mino" MiddleName="" LastName="Doro" BirthYear="0" Role="Gratus" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Robert" MiddleName="" LastName="Brown" BirthYear="1921" Role="Chief of Rowers" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="John" MiddleName="" LastName="Glenn" BirthYear="0" Role="Rower No. 42" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Maxwell" MiddleName="" LastName="Shaw" BirthYear="0" Role="Rower No. 43" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Emile" MiddleName="" LastName="Carrer" BirthYear="0" Role="Rower No. 28" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Tutte" MiddleName="" LastName="Lemkow" BirthYear="0" Role="Leper" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Howard" MiddleName="" LastName="Lang" BirthYear="0" Role="Hortator" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Ferdy" MiddleName="" LastName="Mayne" BirthYear="0" Role="Captain, Rescue Ship" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="John" MiddleName="" LastName="Le Mesurier" BirthYear="0" Role="Doctor" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Stevenson" MiddleName="" LastName="Lang" BirthYear="0" Role="Blind Man" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Aldo" MiddleName="" LastName="Mozele" BirthYear="0" Role="Barca" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Thomas" MiddleName="" LastName="O&apos;Leary" BirthYear="0" Role="Starter at Race" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Noel" MiddleName="" LastName="Sheldon" BirthYear="0" Role="Centurion" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Hector" MiddleName="" LastName="Ross" BirthYear="0" Role="Officer" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Bill" MiddleName="" LastName="Kuehl" BirthYear="0" Role="Soldier" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Aldo" MiddleName="" LastName="Silvani" BirthYear="0" Role="Man in Nazareth" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Diego" MiddleName="" LastName="Pozzetto" BirthYear="0" Role="Villager" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Dino" MiddleName="" LastName="Fazio" BirthYear="0" Role="Marcello" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Michael" MiddleName="" LastName="Cosmo" BirthYear="0" Role="Raimondo" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Aldo" MiddleName="" LastName="Pini" BirthYear="0" Role="Cavalry Officer" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Remington" MiddleName="" LastName="Olmstead" BirthYear="0" Role="Decurian" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Victor" MiddleName="" LastName="De Le Fosse" BirthYear="0" Role="Galley Officer No. 1" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Enzo" MiddleName="" LastName="Fiermonte" BirthYear="0" Role="Galley Officer No. 2" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Hugh" MiddleName="" LastName="Billingsley" BirthYear="0" Role="Mario" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Tiberio" MiddleName="" LastName="Mitri" BirthYear="0" Role="Roman at Bath" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Pietro" MiddleName="" LastName="Tordi" BirthYear="0" Role="Pilate&apos;s Servant" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Jerry" MiddleName="" LastName="Brown" BirthYear="0" Role="The Corinthian" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Orello" MiddleName="" LastName="Capanna" BirthYear="0" Role="The Byzantine" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Luigi" MiddleName="" LastName="Marra" BirthYear="0" Role="The Syrian" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Cliff" MiddleName="" LastName="Lyons" BirthYear="0" Role="The Lubian" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Edward" MiddleName="J." LastName="Auregui" BirthYear="0" Role="The Athenian" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Joe" MiddleName="" LastName="Yrigoyan" BirthYear="0" Role="The Egyptian" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Alfredo" MiddleName="" LastName="Danesi" BirthYear="0" Role="The Armenian" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Raimondo" MiddleName="" LastName="Van Riel" BirthYear="0" Role="Old Man" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Mike" MiddleName="" LastName="Dugan" BirthYear="0" Role="Seaman" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
    <Actor FirstName="Joe" MiddleName="" LastName="Canutt" BirthYear="0" Role="Sportsman" CreditedAs="" Voice="false" Uncredited="true"/>
  </Actors>
</CastInformation>
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Just a note, the birthyear is required for Robert Brown
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Hello again...  Thank you all for your suggestions of Uncredited Cast members for this Ben-Hur profile.  However this now brings up some questions:

1. Which is the correct list of Uncredited Cast members for this title to use? 
    a. The group suggested by IMDb (already being used in proflle 012569-550629)?
    b. The group in the program suggested by Scotthm?
    c. The group in the XML code suggested by W0m6at?

To be honest, I am confused about which group to consider correct.  They each have similarities and differences amongst them.

2.  To Wom6at: How do you import the XML code into a specific profile without making significant changes to the rest of this profile (for 883929-209453), and not affecting any other profile?


Thanks again for all of your help!
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IIRC, this was a roadshow movie. They may have been credited in the program instead of the film itself. There are certainly books about the movie that talk about the uncredited roles.
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Which is the correct list of Uncredited Cast members for this title to use?

I believe B and C contain the same names, and I would trust the program (its cast listing is reprinted in the booklet included with UPC: 012569-675353) over IMDB any day.

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To Wom6at: How do you import the XML code into a specific profile without making significant changes to the rest of this profile (for 883929-209453), and not affecting any other profile?

Select and copy the XML to the clipboard, open the profile for editing the cast, right-click on the cast list, and select "paste all cast".

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I've contributed the xml cast list to my Swedish profile, I'm just not sure if I should reorder the names alphabetically or not since the rules call for it. 
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2.  To Wom6at: How do you import the XML code into a specific profile without making significant changes to the rest of this profile (for 883929-209453), and not affecting any other profile?


Thanks again for all of your help!

I tend to copy the information across to notepad (turn word wrap off) and edit it in there. You have a few options though:

1) Copy over the information from your profile into notepad, and also the relevant information from above.
Delete out any data you don't want. Then ensure that you still have (the title is irrelevant)
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
<CastInformation>
  <Title>Ben-Hur: 3-Disc Ultimate Collector&apos;s Edition</Title>
  <Actors>
at the beginning and
</Actors>
</CastInformation>
at the end of your resulting data. You will also have to make sure that you don't have those bits repeated in the middle, and of course remove any duplicate cast.

2) Copy the data I posted, then right click on your cast list. Select Paste and Append Cast. Then manually remove duplicates.

3) Copy the data I posted and paste it into notepad. Delete out the credited cast/any other cast you don't want to add (retaining the header and footer code highlighted in option 1)). Then do the paste & append.

If I've done a good enough job of explaining the above, you'll be able to figure out what works best for you (there are also some slight variations/combinations of the above steps that would also work). For any data that you're manipulating outside of DVDP, just remember that it must contain that header and footer code or else it will be rejected by the programme.
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2.  To Wom6at: How do you import the XML code into a specific profile without making significant changes to the rest of this profile (for 883929-209453), and not affecting any other profile?


Thanks again for all of your help!

I just thought... I may have read the question as more complicated than it needed to be. If you are simply asking how to get the cast data in without making any changes, it's simple.

Copy the data I posted (everything from the first "<" to the last ">", inclusive)
Edit your profile (double-click)
Go to Cast
Right-click
Paste All Cast
You will get a warning that it will overwrite your cast information. Select yes.
Click OK.
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I've contributed the xml cast list to my Swedish profile, I'm just not sure if I should reorder the names alphabetically or not since the rules call for it. 

Uncredited cast should be in alphabetical order.

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Quoting KinoNiki:
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I've contributed the xml cast list to my Swedish profile, I'm just not sure if I should reorder the names alphabetically or not since the rules call for it. 

Uncredited cast should be in alphabetical order.


Yeah, but since these actors are credited in an official program, I'm not sure if the rule applies. It kind of defeats the purpose to reorder them since then it will no longer reflect the source accurately.
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Okay, no more replies. I guess it's just another gray area for the screeners and voters to have fun with. 
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I have learned some new techniques for exporting/importing Cast and Crew info using the XML code!  The Uncredited Cast suggested by scotthm and compiled by w0m6at has now been submitted per this discussion.  Thanks to all of you for your mighty help!   
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