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I recently received the Blu-Ray Criterion Collection edition of "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button", supposedly new, fulfilled by Amazon.

On the Criterion web site, it shows the blue badge on the front wrapper for this title that has become very common of late for Criterion's Blu-Ray releases.

But instead of getting an over-sealed copy with that badge and with a product case seal over the top end, I get one that's just shrink wrapped, with no badge and no end seal.

I'm thinking that this is just a copy that was "like new" and then re-sealed with shrink wrap so that it could be sold for more money as "new".

What do you think?

Don't major releases generally come over-sealed and with a product end seal?

I suspect that a lot of discs sold on Amazon and elsewhere as "new" are in fact pre-owned.
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Don't major releases generally come over-sealed and with a product end seal?


From my experience, yes...usually. But unless the disc is damaged, scratched or missing inserts or booklets, then I wouldn't really worry too much about it.
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Don't major releases generally come over-sealed and with a product end seal?


From my experience, yes...usually. But unless the disc is damaged, scratched or missing inserts or booklets, then I wouldn't really worry too much about it.

Lately though I've been receiving new DVDs from Amazon without the security stickers on the ends and sides and from what I understand Amazon is working with the studios to have those removed from their copies due to customer complaints.
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Yeah, there's not many DVDs or Blu-rays that come with those security stickers anymore. I can think of only a couple studios that still do it, but the major ones I think have dropped it.
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I know a couple of UK companies who no longer provide cellophane on new copies sold online because it saves them money. True, not a huge amount of cash (sometimes only the cost of a few sales), but we're talking small independent companies bringing out non-mainstream cinema. If it saves them cash that they can put into other areas, I'm all for it.
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Plus a lot of retail stores will open discs up and throw in exclusives like bonus discs or coupon offer sheets, then re-shrinkwrap and sell as new. Sometimes they will still have the title strip across the top, sometimes not. It really comes down to do the discs look touched/used and are any inserts there (for Criterion there's always an insert, not so much from others)?

Also good to hear online sites not having the sercuity stickers. They don't work (go to the nearest BigLots and see how many empty cases with sliced stickers you see, about 10 a trip here), are annoying and often rip the covers. If the disc doesn't have to sit on a shelf in public, then the stickers are even more worthless! Great idea from them.

The badges on Criterions are those "Director Approved Transfer" stickers, usually with a faux signature from the director. They are often missing from later runs, and usually only on the first batches to go out. You can also tell if a discs has been resealed by the thickness and uniformity of the shrinkwrap itself. Not even the re-wrapping machines in Best Buy can replicate a studio wrapped, although those are close and just slightly thicker (I often times can't tell before getting the wrap off if it's too thick). May take a bit at first, but after a while I can spot most rewraps from miles away.

FWIW, I have never had a re-wrap stick to the spine and leave parts behind like many studio wraps, so in that aspect they are preferred.
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Yeah, there's not many DVDs or Blu-rays that come with those security stickers anymore.
Here by security stickers we're talking about the end seals which have the title name and / or bar code, right?

Here are some recent Blu-Ray purchases that I've not yet opened:

3:10 to Yuma top & side (Lionsgate)
Insomnia, oversealed, promotional sticker, no end/side seals (Warner)
Romancing the Stone, oversealed, top
Sling Blade, oversealed, top & side, (Miramax)
Stargate, 15th Anniversary Edition, Shrink over slip cover, top seal visible, (Maple)
Wings of Desire, oversealed, top seal, (Criterion)
Treasure of the Sierra Madre, oversealed, promotional sticker, no seals, (Warner)

One big question for me is how many legit studio titles are coming out new in shrink wrap versus over-sealed?

Over-sealing is generally done with cellophane that crinkles, which is a retail security feature. It's really loud and notifies retail staff that a package is being opened. I think of legit copies as having this feature.
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FWIW, I have never had a re-wrap stick to the spine and leave parts behind like many studio wraps, so in that aspect they are preferred.
I checked on line once and new oversealing machines (short run) seem to go for about $5,000. I'm sure the big boys use production line equipment that's even more expensive.
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Also good to hear online sites not having the sercuity stickers. They don't work (go to the nearest BigLots and see how many empty cases with sliced stickers you see, about 10 a trip here), are annoying and often rip the covers. If the disc doesn't have to sit on a shelf in public, then the stickers are even more worthless! Great idea from them.


A lot of the discs I used to import from the US would have the security magnet strip things inside. I used to peel them out and put them in peoples jackets because they would still set off alarms in the shops here in the UK until they were deactivated.
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A lot of the discs I used to import from the US would have the security magnet strip things inside. I used to peel them out and put them in peoples jackets because they would still set off alarms in the shops here in the UK until they were deactivated.

I especially like it when they contain the cardboard inserts with the security sticker included. The act of peeling them off a case can disable them.
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Yeah, there's not many DVDs or Blu-rays that come with those security stickers anymore.
Here by security stickers we're talking about the end seals which have the title name and / or bar code, right?



I call that the "title strip". Not sure if I picked that up from somewhere or just called it what it was. That is similar but different than the "security" stickers on the side or bottom. Most titles still come with title strips, although I see less and less of them each trip to retail stores, and many times on the same rack, some with them, some without. The side and bottom stickers are most annoying and pointless, but the title strips usually do the most damage when they catch the top of the cover and rip away everything under them. But they have a purpose, it's much quicker and easier to go through a low rack just looking at those instead of looking at each cover.

At Big Lots it's like a tie between someone with a razor slicing open all 3 sides, and someone else just ripping them open despite all 3 sides having a sticker. One leaves a nice clean case, the other a jagged rips along all edges, sometimes with shrinkwrap still stuck to the spine side.   No wonder most BigLots dvds are now $5 instead of $3, they probably get jacked 2 for every one they sell.
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A lot of the discs I used to import from the US would have the security magnet strip things inside. I used to peel them out and put them in peoples jackets because they would still set off alarms in the shops here in the UK until they were deactivated.


I remember way back in like 1987 or so, a record store had stickers on their cassette tapes. I stole a couple and walked out lucky as hell, cuz I sold them to friends, and one the friends went back in the store with me to steal more (thinking the stickers were show) and the alarm set off when he walked in and he got busted, tried to pin it on me but couldn't. I told him I must've got lucky and to open that shiitake mushroom before going back in, but he wanted it new for his sister or something. Still kinda funny to think back on, how did I make it out with 4 tapes and no alarm? Guess it's good he got hit on the way in and not us on the way out. After that I carried the little "Sold" stickers they would place over the price tag to deactivate the alarm in my wallet, and my first business was still running until I got caught a few months later at another store. I haven't stole anything in 20 years or so since, but still wait for karma to come back and get me for my mis-spent youth.
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