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Registered: June 6, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 950 |
| Posted: | | | | In "Platinum Blonde" Jo Swerling is credited (see below). In the rules for crediting the crew, Adaptation by does not appear. How should it be credited then? Taken from upc=043396037595 |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | If I recall this correctly the "consensus" is "OMB" | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | The consensus has been a moving target for a long time now. Some time ago, I argued for adaptation to be included in the roles expansion in the rules committee. Personally, I think it's an important part of the writing process, when it occurs. That never happened, however we were given the option of custom roles. Since then, about half the folks say OMB, the other half say custom. I've been tracking it custom myself.
More importantly, the reason this subject is coming up is because the profile in question currently credits Jo Swerling with a screenwriter credit. A change has been submitted that, among other things, removes Jo Swerling from the credits entirely. I'm the one who submitted that change, and I can only say that given the narrow interpretation that tends to be reflected on these boards, it's hard to see how Adaptation By can be stretched to Based On, which I've been lectured is the litmus test for OMB. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: I've been tracking it custom myself. That's what I currently do in such cases. I don't believe the rules currently allow for it to be included in the online db. --------------- |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | My opinion has changed since this first came up...mostly due to James' post about WGA credit rules. As it stands now, I agree with scotthm and don't believe the rules allow for this credit to be included. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | My understanding of the writing process is that adaptation occupies this sort of middle ground in the process which we're not really capturing. We capture initial sources and final screen writing products, but the development process, which is an adaptation, is currently lost. |
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Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | I track them locally under custom.
Adaptation is definitely not an OMB credit. The adapter did not create the original work. They are adapting someone else's original work. I've submitted removals of these credits when listed under OMB and never had it declined.
I would like to see it added as an option under the writing credits however. But until then, best kept local. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote: I track them locally under custom. Same as I do. I just feel it's the same kind of writing credit that "additional dialogue by" or "story idea by" are, not that they are the same but more they aren't covered by one of the included writing credits. |
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Registered: June 6, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 950 |
| Posted: | | | | Thank you all for your answers.
I understand that most of you do not include any credit for Adaptation by when submitting to the Invelos database, because there is at present no correct slot of in the writers section of the crew credits.
I am ill at ease with not giving credit where it is due. The movie content should not be altered to accomodate the database, anymore than you break a present to make it fit its box. |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Wigram: Quote: I am ill at ease with not giving credit where it is due. The movie content should not be altered to accomodate the database, anymore than you break a present to make it fit its box. Even if you were to contribute Jo Swerling it could not be with the credited role--"Adaptation by" simply cannot be contributed at this time. --------------- |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Wigram: Quote: The movie content should not be altered to accomodate the database, anymore than you break a present to make it fit its box. I fully understand (and agree with) your point of view. Unfortunately, rules are not made to enter correct data, and we prefer, for the online database, mispelled names and overviews not matching with the movie's story. Rules are just made to be followed the more stupidly as possible, even if the result defies common sense. | | | Images from movies |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | We don't include hair stylist. We don't include associate producer (which in the golden age films actually had some meaning). We don't include choreographer. In a modern production there are far more crew people we don't credit than we do. There are a ton of folks who don't get their due, as you put it. Unfortunately, Jo Swerling falls into this category. Thankfully, locally you can add anybody you want to and give them any crew role you want through the custom option.
I personally think that adaptation is important enough to keep track of. I also accept that it's something I have to do locally via the custom roles. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: We don't include associate producer (which in the golden age films actually had some meaning). I include them... but as they aren't contributable anyway it's irrelevent I always include every producers in my profile as it's easy to know who they are and I like to see the progression in their career (in the custom role of course). In fact I use a lot of custom role in the designated area (producer, writer, art,...), I just don't use the other crew jobs area. I know myself well enough to know that if I start that I will list every crew members and create a profile will take 3 hours or more |
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Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: We don't include choreographer. There's another one I track locally! Otherwise how would I keep up with my Busby Berkley films? The other major credit I track locally is character designer, which is a pretty important credit in anime. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
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