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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorOrici
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I have been looking at the credits of the original Planet of the Apes films and I woundering about this.

the first film has

Based on the novel by (clearly OMB) Pierre Boulle
the later films have:

Based upon characters created by Pierre Boulle
Based on characters created by Pierre Boulle

Since he wrote the book  I was thinking all the films should recieve an OMB.
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I wouldn't vote against the OMB credit, but it could be OCB as in "Based on Character By". Just my opinion. 

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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"Based On ..." is how according to the rules an OMB credit is defined.

So for DVDProfiler purposes only OMB is correct.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:
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"Based On ..." is how according to the rules an OMB credit is defined.

So for DVDProfiler purposes only OMB is correct.

Only if you ignore the notes for each credit.  While "Based on" is how the OMB credits are formatted, it is to be used for screenplays that are "Adapted from another medium."  That means they took a book and turned it into a film.  Since none of the films made after Planet of the Apes were adapted from a book, OMB is not correct.

According to the notes, OCB is for "screenplays based on characters from another work."  Pierre Boulle did not write a book titled, as an example, Beneath the Planet of the Apes.  That film, as well as the other sequels, were based on the characters from the book he did write.  So, for Profiler purposes, only OCB is correct.

I honestly don't know why this is a question as the credits, from the film, are quite clear. 
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In the Notes column for OCB it says:

Quoting the Rules:
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Used for screenplays based on characters from another work...
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OCB. The reason? Well it speaks for itself. Just like TheMadMartian and hal9g explained.
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Edit because of misreading the op.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDanae Cassandra
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The first film gets an OMB, the later films OCB.  Because they read "characters by."
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Quoting Danae Cassandra:
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The first film gets an OMB, the later films OCB.  Because they read "characters by."


This, and it's a quite common credit to see on almost any sequel. I probably have dozens in collection alone. Very few credit the concept or script of the original film, which to me would be OMB.
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Sorry but I have to disagree.

Allow me to quote the rules which clearly say that an OMB is:
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Based on [anything] By


If someone could explain to me in how far "Characters" are not part of the group "Anything" and into which group that isn't part of "Anything" they do belong instead, I'd happily agree.

Mind you, I'm not saying where this should be entered (Here I agree with the majority already), but where according to the rules it has to be entered. And this is a difference.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:
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Sorry but I have to disagree.

Allow me to quote the rules which clearly say that an OMB is:
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Based on [anything] By


If someone could explain to me in how far "Characters" are not part of the group "Anything" and into which group that isn't part of "Anything" they do belong instead, I'd happily agree.

I have already explained this.  The 'Notes' section clarifies the credit section.  The Notes for OMB tell us that the 'anything', in 'Based on [anything] By', is another medium.

In addition, we have an 'Original Characters by' credit, that is "Used for screenplays based on characters from another work," which this is.  Why have that if we are supposed to use OMB for everything?
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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OK
I could agree on this interpretation.

I had a similar problem with a slight variation recently.
The credit is:
Quote:
Based on their [the screenwriters] interpretation of Agatha Christie's 'Miss Marple'

How would we handle this then?
In my contribution I explained my interpretation of the rules and it got accepted as OMB.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Since Miss Marple is not another work, but a character, I would give it an OCB credit.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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