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Registered: July 22, 2007 | Posts: 348 |
| Posted: | | | | If you look at the pending contributions from me, Dollhouse S2 is being declined twice. This time around it is being refused because the cover scan shows the wrong UPC number.
As explained in the first contribution, the UPC was on the shrinkwrap that covered the original UPC. The extra goodie that is part of the ComicCon release is listed as part of the extras.
The release was purchased under the UPC that came on the shrinkwrap, not the UPC that is on the artwork. I know that UPC number as I keep it as part of the packaging.
Lots of people purchased the Blu-ray and DVD with these separate UPC numbers (I have no idea what the DVD one is).
Aren't these special releases even allowed in the database, other than my personal copy, but for the general public? Is this a lost cause?
Sure, I could PhotoShop the UPC into the artwork, but such artwork doesn't exist. | | | Mr Video Productions If it isn't Unix, it isn't an OS :-) |
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Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | I can't tell from your text which UPC you are submitting and which you think is wrong.
But you have two UPC so why change one, just submit the second one as a second profile. | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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Registered: July 22, 2007 | Posts: 348 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote: I can't tell from your text which UPC you are submitting and which you think is wrong.
But you have two UPC so why change one, just submit the second one as a second profile. I am trying to submit a new profile for the different UPC. The thing is that all of the data for the general release UPC is the same for the ComicCon release, other than the UPC and the extra goodie for purchasing the release. I took the original profile, changed the UPC and added the extra goodie and submitted. It seems that the problem is that the UPC on the artwork doesn't match the UPC in the profile, which is 100% correct, since the special ComicCon UPC was a sticker placed on the shrinkwrap, over the general release UPC. I kept the shrinkwrap UPC and that is the number I changed it to. Maybe the title needs a (Special ComicCon 2010 release) as part of it. This isn't the first time that UPC stickers have been placed over the top of artwork UPCs. | | | Mr Video Productions If it isn't Unix, it isn't an OS :-) |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Well per Rules you can't add something to the title of a TV series that isn't on the cover (Edition must also come from cover).
The only thing I can think of that would solve your problem is to not use that back cover with the other UPC on it. Instead just upload the front cover in both spots (such as we do for pre-releases) and then just add back the back cover for your personal use locally. That would at least get it into the online database. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | I've been informed in the past that stickers outside the shrink wrap doesn't count, so you're stuck with a local profile only. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Unfortunately, you are getting hit by the rule that reads "The covers must match the profile exactly, including the UPC and locality." If the UPC in the image, doesn't match the UPC in the profile, it will be declined.
I haven't had this happen as the ones I have purchased have had a printed insert covering the back of the case, so I was able to scan that. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: July 22, 2007 | Posts: 348 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Unfortunately, you are getting hit by the rule that reads "The covers must match the profile exactly, including the UPC and locality." If the UPC in the image, doesn't match the UPC in the profile, it will be declined. That is a dumb rule. Production companies do not follow DVDP rules and I do not expect them to. Real world situations need to be allowed. I suspect that Fox used a separate UPC in order to track the sales of the ComicCon special release because it included the lithograph. That UPC is a real world number. I also obtained the first season's ComicCon release but do not remember if there was a separate UPC or not. I'd have to dig it out and look inside the case to see if there is a separate UPC sticker that I kept. So, all of use that purchased the ComicCon release have to create a local only entry because of a rule that doesn't allow for real world situations is not right. It is easy to note in the profile that it was a special release containing the general public Blu-ray/DVD with a ComicCon only lithograph and that the listed UPC was for that special release. It doesn't happen very often, but it does happen. Allowances should be made for said situations, instead of slamming the door on the entry into the database. This has now become another one of those "I don't care" situations (see the thread on support being terrible). | | | Mr Video Productions If it isn't Unix, it isn't an OS :-) |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | shrink wrap gets removed and thrown out in most cases, if not all .. the original upc is the one on the art work.. this is the one we need .. The secondary upc is for jobbers to resell old stock for their own inventory .. Kinda like the original SRP is the own we need not the secondary srp price 12 months later in the blow out bins .... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: shrink wrap gets removed and thrown out in most cases, if not all .. the original upc is the one on the art work.. this is the one we need .. The secondary upc is for jobbers to resell old stock for their own inventory .. That simply isn't true. There are quite a few exclusive releases, where additional items are added to the original release, that use secondary UPCs. Sometimes, the company will print single sheet that they insert over the back cover but, as in this case, some will simply slap a UPC on to the new shrink wrap. I agree with MrVideo that there should be a way to track these. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,580 |
| Posted: | | | | Like MadMartian I also agree that this poses a problem. So far I was lucky enough that for the releases I own, the UPC sticker was slapped onto the box and not the shrink wrap, but it does pose a problem for those releases where the UPC is put on disposable parts of the package.
It might be useful to bring this up either through a support ticket or as a new thread in the rules section, so that Invelos can look into a way of dealing with this. | | | Blu-ray collection DVD collection My Games My Trophies |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,217 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting MrVideo: Quote: I kept the shrinkwrap UPC and that is the number I changed it to. Well ... who knows ... maybe the sticker wasn't on the shrinkwrap but indeed sticked to the backcover so you scan it this way and submit it? just thinking, Mithi | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | You might be able to submit a "fake" cover scan, but whenever a legit release comes along using the same UPC, you're in trouble again. Is it still first in stays or what happens then? | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting MrVideo: Quote: That is a dumb rule. Production companies do not follow DVDP rules and I do not expect them to. Real world situations need to be allowed. I suspect that Fox used a separate UPC in order to track the sales of the ComicCon special release because it included the lithograph. It's not the Production companies doing it, it's the retailers. As TheMadMartian stated, Target, Bestbuy and WalMart often add items to Studio releases to make them Exclusive to the retailer. The Target edition of "Little Fockers" comes to mind. Target added a Magnetic Picture Frame to the studio release of the film and had their own slip cover printed with a different UPC than the UPC on the Blu-ray cover art. I've seen other Target Exclusive releases where they print a new insert identical to the rear cover art with a different UPC. And then there is the cheap route where they just slap a different UPC label on the shrink wrap covering the original UPC. In the last case I cut out the UPC label on the shrink wrap and temporarily affixed it to the rear cover art over the original UPC and scanned it. I've only had to do this once though and I can't recall off the top of my head what title it was. | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | well said Max .. That is what I was trying to say when I said the Jobbers above here ... But most important I wouldn't be a bit surprised if these upc codes were now locality based .. in other words I wouldn't trust my Local Canadian Walmart to have the same upc code over an American Walmart .. Therefore I still insist the original on the package silkcreen upc code is the one that should be used. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: Therefore I still insist the original on the package silkcreen upc code is the one that should be used. Then we'd never be able to add many Retailer Exclusives to the database. I just found an instance where I submitted a Target Exclusive to the database: "The Departed" UPC 085391145684. In this case I scanned the slip case that showed the Target UPC label on the shrink wrap in the cutout. This Target Exclusive release came the original film script which I added to Other Features. | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | Thankfully all my exclusives have their own UPC.
Maybe you need to somehow impose that exclusive UPC on your scan, like put the new UPC box back over the underneath common UPC before scanning. If it was just a sticker and you kept it, put it where it was and scan. |
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