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Watching Face/Off now on my few monts old Full HD TV and I suddenly saw something noticable in the movie. It might have been discussed before, but this is the first time I see it. In the beginning of the film where the police and FBI try to catch Castor Troy in the hangar, you can clearly see the wire on the officer that's been shot by Castor and flys in the air. (14:18 on the BD, my copy is the US version)
I have seen this movie many times on DVD and a few times on BD, but this is the first screening on my Full HD. Anyone else seen that "glitch"? I thought it was cool though, forgetting to remove the wire in post production
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according to this site there are lots of visable wire goofs in FaceOff..  But this is the beauty of HD the ability to see too much.. kinda like seating in the front row of a live theatre play . , you get to see the shoddyness of the cheap costumes on the actors... 
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When I was in film school, we made a 1920's gangster movie where the bad guy gets shot up pretty well. The actor wore longjohns where we sewed dozens of tiny explosive squibs in rows... mainly on the torso, but a few on the arms and legs. We attached fake blood packets to the squibs. The squibs were fired by electricity, so all squib ground wires were connected with one heavier ground wire leaving the ankle area to a 12-volt car battery. Then we coded each positive lead on a separate wire for each, attaching each of them in a worked out order to nails driven through 2x4s. By connecting a single wire to the positive side of the battery, we could run that wire across the nails, setting off the squibs in a choreographed pattern. We stuffed the longjohns through the left leg of the period era costume trousers, then the actor donned the longjohns, the trousers, a shirt, tie, jacket, hat and shoes (shoulder holster before the jacket). We had four cameras on him, one shooting at 96 frames/second for slow motion.

The problem was hiding the mass of wires. We had no budget for post production special effects.

So he stood in a patch of ivy ground cover, hiding the wires in it.

We shot a few angles on the guy shooting the tommy gun at him, moving the gun to the choregraghed arrangement of how the squibs would go off. Then we set up for the actor to get blown away. I got to run the hot wire over the nails, timing the explosions to the prefilmed shots fired. The actor swayed from the explosions with fake blood squirting out all over the place. The costume was destroyed. He was blown back, hard, by the explosions I triggered. We lost a few frames from two of the cameras as his foot lifted from the ivy patch. The slo-mo and fourth cameras were tighter and did not show the wires.

We cut and went to assist the actor. He decided he should have worn extra longjons under the rigged set... within minutes, his entire body was bruised from the explosions. He moved very slowly for nearly a week.
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according to this site there are lots of visable wire goofs in FaceOff..  But this is the beauty of HD the ability to see too much.. kinda like seating in the front row of a live theatre play . , you get to see the shoddyness of the cheap costumes on the actors... 


For me anyway, the ability to see too much is one of my gripes with HD.  There are any number of examples where the filmmakers were perfectly aware of not only the craftsmanship of film, but also how it would project in a theater.  As a result, any number of these supposed goofs weren't really all that evident to the theatrical viewing audience.  I'm not saying this is one of those films, but everytime I read somebody saying that hi-def, in particular Blu, gives the best presentation possible, I find myself scratching my head.  It certainly is capable of giviing the best presentation possible, but it's by no means an automatic thing.  In my opinion, seeing more than the filmmaker intended is every bit as annoying as seeing less, sometimes moreso.
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We cut and went to assist the actor. He decided he should have worn extra longjons under the rigged set... within minutes, his entire body was bruised from the explosions. He moved very slowly for nearly a week.

I still remember the welts I received on my back from a play I was in. My character was killed at the end by getting shot in the back by a paint-ball pistol.

After several rehearsals, I stapled several towels to the inside of my lab coat to soften the blows.
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