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Registered: May 18, 2007 | Posts: 389 |
| Posted: | | | | If a DVD back cover & menu screen has a "part 1" as part of an episode title but the actual episode when you watch does not which do you think should be used? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Depends if there's a part 2 with the same title... 1. The Beginning 2. The Beginning would just look strange, like someone made a mistake, whereas 1. The Beginning Part 1 2. The Beginning Part 2 makes sense. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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Registered: May 18, 2007 | Posts: 389 |
| Posted: | | | | Yes there is a part 2. The actual credits reads:
Year of Hell Year of Hell, Part II |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,744 |
| Posted: | | | | Actual DVD wins. Stargate SG-1 did it all the time with their two-parters. First part was "The Tok'ra", second "The Tok'ra (Part Two)". I guess they didn't want to give away that it was a cliffhanger episode. | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | It depends on where you are talking about. If it is for the overview it must match cover exactly per Rules. But for the cast and crew dividers I would go with what the actual episode says. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | The rule says to, "Take the episode title from the episode itself, or from elsewhere on the DVD or DVD packaging, exactly as shown." While not specifically stated, I would give priority to the episode itself as it comes first in that rule. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: It depends on where you are talking about. If it is for the overview it must match cover exactly per Rules. But for the cast and crew dividers I would go with what the actual episode says. I would use the same source and formatting of the episode titles for the overview and the dividers. Whether that source would be the cover, episode menu on disc, or titles used in the episodes themselves, would depend on the individual case. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: It depends on where you are talking about. If it is for the overview it must match cover exactly per Rules. But for the cast and crew dividers I would go with what the actual episode says. I would use the same source and formatting of the episode titles for the overview and the dividers. Whether that source would be the cover, episode menu on disc, or titles used in the episodes themselves, would depend on the individual case. Actually if he is talking about the simple episode list in the overview... and they are listed on the back cover... per rules of overview exactly per back cover... I wholeheartedly believe the list must come from only the cover per Rules. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: I would use the same source and formatting of the episode titles for the overview and the dividers. Whether that source would be the cover, episode menu on disc, or titles used in the episodes themselves, would depend on the individual case. Actually if he is talking about the simple episode list in the overview... and they are listed on the back cover... per rules of overview exactly per back cover... I wholeheartedly believe the list must come from only the cover per Rules. Actually the rules don't ask you to copy the episode list from the cover. They allow you to add it from anywhere. Only the overview has to be copied from the cover. Quote: If the Main Feature of the disc is a collection of some kind (e.g. shorts, TV episodes, multiple films, etc.) rather than one single feature, a simple list of the collection contents may be added to the standard overview. Example: 1. Title 2. Title 3. Title On the other hand, for dividers the rules ask you to take the episode names from the credits, if that would "mirror" the film credits. Quote: Wherever possible, these groupings should mirror the film credits. | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | But if the episode listing is on the back of the cover then it is part of the overview and needs to match the case as well. That is at least how I always did it and voted anyway. And of course also the way I will continue to do it and vote until Ken/Gerri tells me otherwise. | | | Pete |
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Registered: November 24, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,282 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Orici: Quote: Yes there is a part 2. The actual credits reads:
Year of Hell Year of Hell, Part II If that's what the actual credits read then I would put "Year of Hell" and "Year of Hell, Part II" as the episode titles. To add anything, even a 'Part I' would be adding information that's just not there. | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: But if the episode listing is on the back of the cover then it is part of the overview (...) No, the episode listing on the cover is not part of the overview on the cover, the same way as the feature listing or the language listing are not part of the overview either. Not every text on the cover is overview. But of course the cover is one of the preferable sources for the episode list to be added to the overview. | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | I've seen numerous examples where the Overview "episode title" did not match exactly to the "episode title" listed onscreen for that episode.
The Overview must be copied exactly from the back cover.
I always use the onscreen "episode title" for cast and crew dividers, as well as for simple episode lists when they are not included in the Overview. | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: But if the episode listing is on the back of the cover then it is part of the overview (...) No, the episode listing on the cover is not part of the overview on the cover, the same way as the feature listing or the language listing are not part of the overview either. Not every text on the cover is overview.
But of course the cover is one of the preferable sources for the episode list to be added to the overview. I have to agree with Pete on this one. If the episodes are listed on the back of the case, as far as I am concerned, they are part of the overview. Like Pete, that is the way I have always done it and the way I have always voted. Until Ken or Gerri state otherwise, that is the way I will continue to do it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Rho:
Let's look at the flaw in your argument and it's a BIG one. You are once again applying your standard.
The Rules dictate that the Overview must come from the cover, or if no overview is available you can write one...correct? CORRECT So, if a TV series has Episode Overviews, which many do, why do you believe that it would be perfectly acceptable to invennt where the Episode tiltle comes from. If the episode title is listed on the cover and we are dealing with the Overview then it must come from the cover. Similarly when we are dealing with cast and crew the data is to come from where according to the rules...the show credits themselves just like any film. The Episode name will typically be part of THAT dataset, so once again why are inventing something that is clearly outside the rules. When dealing with Episode titles for cast and crew they too must come from the show credits if used, if NOT then you can pull from the cover. Your logic is horrendously faulty in this case. And YES, sometimes there is a differece between the way an Episode title might be listed on the Cover and the way it actually appears On scree,...it happens. But we are once again dealing with what the data really is or is not what some user wnats or imagines it to be. Just follow the data and stop injecting personal into it unless you are keeping it locally, then of course you are free to do iot any way you wish | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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