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iOS 4 users be aware, your phone stores your visited locations |
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 | Blair | | Resistance is Futile! |
| Registered: October 30, 2008 |  Posts: 1,249 |
| | Posted: | | | | In case you haven't read about this already: Quote:
Apple devices appear to be tracking their owners' locations and storing data about people's whereabouts without their knowledge, according to a report posted Wednesday on a site called iPhone Tracker.
There's no evidence, [the researchers] say, that the data is also transmitted to Apple as it's collected.
"Cell phone providers collect similar data almost inevitably as part of their operations, but it's kept behind their firewall. It normally requires a court order to gain access to it, whereas this is available to anyone who can get their hands on your phone or computer," they write.
"By passively logging your location without your permission, Apple have made it possible for anyone from a jealous spouse to a private investigator to get a detailed picture of your movements."
The location data appear to be collected at random intervals over time, using cell phone towers to triangulate approximate locations, they write. Source: CNN.comYou can download an app HERE that reads the hidden file, displaying for you the already-tracked locations stored on your device. It does not, itself, write any tracking data to your phone. | | | If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
He who MUST get the last word in on a pointless, endless argument doesn't win. It makes him the bigger jerk. | | | | Last edited: by Blair |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is currently being blown way out of proportion in my opinion. And many have said the accuracy is pretty bad as well. One user claimed it was placing him 100 miles away from where he actually was. As I said on another site, they are welcome to track me. They are welcome to ask me right to me face where I've been and I'll gladly fill them in. They're welcome to ride along with me (I could use the company  ). I have nothing to hide. And if this data can be used to improve cell reception where I live (one of the stated purposes for tracking this data in the first place), then I'm all for it. In my opinion, had any other company been caught like this, it wouldn't have made the news. But since it's Apple, they got nailed. Same with Microsoft. Any misstep with them tends to be blown way out of proportion. And to save you all the trouble, here you are: Home Work Home Work Grocery store Home Work Club Home Etc. Not all that thrilling.  | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 756 |
| | Posted: | | | | Dear Apple,
Movements for last few days:
Home
Work
Home
Work
Home
Work
Home
DIY store#1
DIY store#2 (because DIY store#1 had run out)
DIY store#3 (ditto)
Home
DIY store#1 (for the things I forgot to buy at the DIY stores......)
Home (hallway - painting)
Home (stairwell - painting)
Sun Lounge (coffee and chocolate biscuits - avoiding painting)
Home (hallway - more bl00dy painting)
Sun Lounge (given up on painting - opened beer)
Regards
Mole | | | | Chris | | | | Last edited: by Mole |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's not just Apple devices, Androids do the same thing. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Blair | | Resistance is Futile! |
| Registered: October 30, 2008 | | Posts: 1,249 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
This is currently being blown way out of proportion in my opinion. And many have said the accuracy is pretty bad as well. One user claimed it was placing him 100 miles away from where he actually was. Since it uses tower triangulation rather than GPS, then yea, it's not going to be nearly as accurate. I don't think that it's being blown out of proportion if following the direct facts. Some people simply want a little security. Particularly since it isn't so accurate, what if you have a wife that thinks you are cheating, accuses you, naturally you deny (no, you aren't lying, you aren't having one) but the girl she thinks is on the side lives 15 blocks from the store. You go to the store, the system pings you, and when she looks it gives the appearance that you may have visited her. Extreme reasoning, I know. People accept GPS as a way of life and that you've been tracked by your cell phone for 15 years. They just don't like hidden secrets. Now that the truth is out (a full year later) no one will care a month from now. | | | If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
He who MUST get the last word in on a pointless, endless argument doesn't win. It makes him the bigger jerk. | | | | Last edited: by Blair |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 630 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have nothing to hide either, so if they wanted to, Microsoft is more than welcome to track where I go with my phone as well.... once they have gotten my clear approval. And not one or another hidden disclaimer somewhere, but a clear approval (an option in the settings is OK as long as it's default off - they can even run a popup once asking me if I would like to turn it on).
Tracking on a mass scale like this without even informing people should have one simple consequence: Jail time for the responsible managers. | | | Regards
Lars |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,946 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is not limited to smartphones either. Cell phone providers know in which region you are, because they have a record to which antenna your device is connected. It's not as precise as the GPS tracking of your smartphone. And I also think, it's nothing to worry about, unless you're a criminal trying to cover your steps  | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
Chris |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cvermeylen: Quote:
This is not limited to smartphones either. Cell phone providers know in which region you are, because they have a record to which antenna your device is connected. It's not as precise as the GPS tracking of your smartphone. And I also think, it's nothing to worry about, unless you're a criminal trying to cover your steps Not quite. The difference is that iPhone and iPad store the data for whatever reason locally on the machine. While I grant my mobile phone service provider the right to know where I am, I for sure wouldn't want Apple to know this. The other thing is that this data violates the data privacy laws of several countries (including Germany), which clearly say that data is only allowed to be collected if this is necessary for the service. I don't see in how far this might be true for these products. But most of all this stored movement-profile might be a security risk since it's easily accessible. And to contradict the point made by Mark: Even if I have nothing to hide there are good reasons why I wouldn't want everyone to know this. Or in other words: Even if my purse is completely empty I wouldn't show this around in public. Data-protection is all about data-privacy but as long as there are people that don't care about their own data and next complain about all the advertisement they get all hope is lost. There is absolutely no sense in using security software, which is mainly there to protect the integrity of your data, while you are publishing exactly this data via sites like facebook, Google, etc... or from your Apple product. Mind you, this might not be a problem for the well-informed user that is also aware of the possible security leak. But most users of those platforms are not aware of those risks. And believe me, when I first logged into facebook I found it scaring to have 25 friends already, without having entered anything else but my necessary account data. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | It all depends on the intent of whoever has access to those data. The whole "I've got nothing to hide" argument is soooooo naive. Just for argument's sake: think of what would have happened if the Gestapo would have gotten its hands on this sort of technology - that would have been Heinrich Himmler's wet dream! Or, to put it in today's terms, imagine Khadafi or Assad in control of such data... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,195 |
| | Posted: | | | | Those who think you have to be a criminal to have something to hide need to take a reality pill and wake up. There are people even in my relatively secure country who's lives depend on their anonymity.. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Blair: Quote:
I don't think that it's being blown out of proportion if following the direct facts. Some people simply want a little security. Particularly since it isn't so accurate, what if you have a wife that thinks you are cheating, accuses you, naturally you deny (no, you aren't lying, you aren't having one) but the girl she thinks is on the side lives 15 blocks from the store. You go to the store, the system pings you, and when she looks it gives the appearance that you may have visited her. Well, to be perfectly honest here, if a person had a spouse like that, then they have bigger issues than their phone recording their location. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 92 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
It's not just Apple devices, Androids do the same thing. It is NOT the same... Be default the feature is OFF and when you turn it on you are WARNED! | | |  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalInTheZone: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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It's not just Apple devices, Androids do the same thing.
It is NOT the same... Be default the feature is OFF and when you turn it on you are WARNED! So you are also warned that the data will be stored...? iOS does ask you, at least the first time, when a program wants to use the GPS information and you may decline. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
Quoting CalInTheZone:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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It's not just Apple devices, Androids do the same thing.
It is NOT the same... Be default the feature is OFF and when you turn it on you are WARNED!
So you are also warned that the data will be stored...?
iOS does ask you, at least the first time, when a program wants to use the GPS information and you may decline. The difference is that Android does not store the data until you explicitly allow it to do so, while iOS stores the data by default and only asks you when the data is accessed locally. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| | Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | In all fairness, when using apps that use GPS technology, my iPhone warns me in advance that my going-ons can and will be tracked, and explicitly asks me if it's OK to continue. So, I'm cool with that. | | | Blu-ray collection
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalInTheZone: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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It's not just Apple devices, Androids do the same thing.
It is NOT the same... Be default the feature is OFF and when you turn it on you are WARNED! I am just going by what the article said...which was, "However, as the newspaper noted, "this definition of 'opt-in' doesn't mean the system is off by default for people who use the typical Android set-up."" I don't have an Android phone, nor do I have an iPhone, so I have no first hand knowledge. I was just passing on the information. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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