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| Registered: May 11, 2007 |  Posts: 249 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here's a question: how do I credit Tom Tom Washington?
According to the CLT he is only credited as that at the moment (Tom Tom//Washington), but the first part is clearly a nickname (according to this site http://www.discogs.com/artist/Tom+Washington he was born as Thomas Washington).
I can see the following possibilities:
Treat it as a stage name: Tom Tom Washington//
Tom//Washington [Tom Tom Washington]
Thomas//Washington [Tom Tom Washington]
Tom/"Tom Tom"/Washington [Tom Tom Washington]
Maybe there are some other possibilities as well? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Per Rules (and Ken's clarification) it don't matter what his real name is... we go with the most commonly credited form of the name for the common name. So if he is mostly credited as Tom Tom Washington then most of your suggestions are out as they would be against the rules. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | What Pete said, per the credit there are three possibilities
TomTom Washington// Can you prove it or are you making an assumption based on WHAT.
Tom/Tom/Washington based on the data alone this is most likely
Tom Tom //Washington Once again, upon what basis
You present no data to support any conclusion other than the second one that I listed. And you definitely include no CLT data to support use of any sort of Most Commonly Credited name. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: May 11, 2007 | | Posts: 249 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
What Pete said, per the credit there are three possibilities
TomTom Washington// Can you prove it or are you making an assumption based on WHAT.
Tom/Tom/Washington based on the data alone this is most likely
Tom Tom //Washington Once again, upon what basis
You present no data to support any conclusion other than the second one that I listed. And you definitely include no CLT data to support use of any sort of Most Commonly Credited name. As I indicated Tom Tom//Washington is what is now in the database, which seems wrong to me. In my view Tom/Tom/Washington would not make sense, I've seen no evidence that his first name is Tom and his middle name is Tom (does that ever occur??). |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why wouldn't it occur? When it comes to names there are no rules what so ever... at least not here in the US. | | | | Pete |
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| | Posted: | | | | I'd enter him as 'Tom Tom/Washington' This guy's actual name is 'Thomas Washington' per this site. "Tom Tom" is a nickname, which is used in place of his real first name 'Thomas', just like "Bob" is used in place of the real name "Robert". Since the nickname only applies to the first name, it is not a "stage name" and it should be handled the same way as "Bob Cummings" would be handled; 'Bob/Cummings' and 'Tom Tom /Washington'. If the CLT showed that the most commonly credited name was "Thomas Washington", then it would be entered "Thomas/Washington [Tom Tom Washington]". If this is the first entry in the database for this guy or if the CLT shows 'Tom Tom Washington' as the most commonly credited form, then 'Tom Tom/Washington' would be the correct way to enter him. Just doing a little research would quickly show that 'Tom/Tom/Washington' is incorrect. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I see no research to support Hals claim. It is certainly possible, perhaps even likely. But as Pete noted we have no name Rules in the US. he could quite possibly legally be Thomas./Tom/.Washington or even Thomas/Thomas/ Washington | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting apltm: Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
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What Pete said, per the credit there are three possibilities
TomTom Washington// Can you prove it or are you making an assumption based on WHAT.
Tom/Tom/Washington based on the data alone this is most likely
Tom Tom //Washington Once again, upon what basis
You present no data to support any conclusion other than the second one that I listed. And you definitely include no CLT data to support use of any sort of Most Commonly Credited name.
As I indicated Tom Tom//Washington is what is now in the database, which seems wrong to me.
In my view Tom/Tom/Washington would not make sense, I've seen no evidence that his first name is Tom and his middle name is Tom (does that ever occur??). Does Billy Bob occur or sound right. It does occur and in the ears of this user no it doesn't sound right but so what how it sounds. I have yet to see evidence supporting anything other than T/T/W. There is a place that lists a bunch of alleged nicknames but there is no documentation to back up any claim that any of those potential aliases are correct. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
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| Registered: May 11, 2007 | | Posts: 249 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Quoting apltm:
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Quoting Winston Smith:
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What Pete said, per the credit there are three possibilities
TomTom Washington// Can you prove it or are you making an assumption based on WHAT.
Tom/Tom/Washington based on the data alone this is most likely
Tom Tom //Washington Once again, upon what basis
You present no data to support any conclusion other than the second one that I listed. And you definitely include no CLT data to support use of any sort of Most Commonly Credited name.
As I indicated Tom Tom//Washington is what is now in the database, which seems wrong to me.
In my view Tom/Tom/Washington would not make sense, I've seen no evidence that his first name is Tom and his middle name is Tom (does that ever occur??).
Does Billy Bob occur or sound right. It does occur and in the ears of this user no it doesn't sound right but so what how it sounds. I have yet to see evidence supporting anything other than T/T/W. There is a place that lists a bunch of alleged nicknames but there is no documentation to back up any claim that any of those potential aliases are correct. I'm sorry but Billy Bob is a different example, those are two different names (and I believe it is a quite common name combination). In this case it is the same name twice. While I appreciate that this could occur in the US it just to me sounds counter intuitive, that's all. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | It may sound counter intuituive and i would agree but that is one of the reasons i always say just follow the data. If we simply follow the data the answer can only be T/T/W. Others also agree that it is counter intuitive but no one has yet produced any convincing data to the contrary. The closest was my friend Cass but in reality all she gave us was a website that listed a bunch of aliases for him but no substantiation beyond the list. The problems always happen when someone starts trying to look for the answer that they want instead of what the data says. If someone can provide some solid backup to TT//W good, but I haven't seen it yet. You say it sounds counter intuitive. Why could he not have the names of both his father and let's say a highly regarded cousin.<shrugs> That is highly possible. I just follow the data, even more so when I cannot find anything which backs up something else. I make no judgements beyond the data, I don't say that doesn't sound right to me or that's counter intuitive, I simply follow what the data says | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: May 11, 2007 | | Posts: 249 |
| | Posted: | | | | I do as well, that's the reason for me to ask questions here.
My statement was not to say I wouldn't follow the data. I just thought it sounds odd, nothing more, nothing less. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree it sounds odd, and I hope someone can find something better, I am looking myself and not having much luck.<shrugs>But if I do find something more solid in documentation I will report it. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: May 11, 2007 | | Posts: 249 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks very much. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | BTW the most convincing thing I see in the list provided by Cass is the reference to Thomas C. Washington. But I'd like to find a bio on the guy. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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