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Registered: May 2, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 490 |
| Posted: | | | | Regarding the author of "Låt den rätte komma in" or in English "Let the right one in".
The db has his last name Ajvide as a middle name.
John Ajvide Lindqvist should be John Ajvide Lindqvist
I am assuming that is not correct? Or is it automatically made like this? | | | Last edited: by MikaLove |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,005 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I always default to the middle name field as well if I don't know. Also keep in mind that the program itself don't look at parsing to link. So if you have some with middle name... and some all in last name they will still link in your program. | | | Pete |
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Registered: May 2, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 490 |
| Posted: | | | | OK. Just noting that I'm not getting any objections and thus that I wasn't wrong about how the db or the software works. However I am a bit surprised that no one has thought of this before since there are lots of (other) Swedes here and they (we) all should know that Ajvide is not a first name. To a foreigner it might not at all be as obvious because I think you may have had to live in Sweden for X number of years and understand Swedish names, or something. First of all I guess you need to know how to pronounce it. And after that maybe you can "sense" there is no "first name feeling" to this last name. Either way, I looked at this man's home page just to make sure and there it is indeed referred to him as [Mr.] Ajvide Lindqvist or simply [Mr.] Ajvide. It is fairly common in Sweden to address someone by his last name, but not as common as in e.g. the U.S. However, I have never read anywhere or heard anyone address someone by their middle name. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, technically Ajvide is a middle name when it is written without a hyphen, even if it is used by the bearer as a second last name. This is an area where practice and official registration sometimes conflict. But no one seems to care much about it... And once parsing is (hopefully) eliminated from Profiler, neither need we worry about it anymore. EDIT: See also dubbelnamn (efternamn) | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TomGaines: Quote: Generally if you do not know otherwise, you put it into the middle name field. Small correction: that what you "generally" do. Many other users are doing the exact opposite. Neither is declared more or less "correct" by Invelos - there is no "right" or "wrong", many parsing threads have ended in a perfectly equal fifty-fifty split, and Invelos will happily accept both variants. And that's exactly what the problem is... The good news, as KinoNiki already hinted at, is that Ken has indicated that the middle name field is likely to be scrapped in the future. |
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Registered: May 2, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 490 |
| Posted: | | | | This about names is really confusing. Not only to us who debate it or consider ourselves "experts" or at least do some research. It has to be worse with those who simply don't care. Sometimes, however, it feels like I would wish not to care either... It's a science in itself. It's like we all should have to educate ourselves about names, professionally...! There was this other discussion, for example. Middle names, stage names... Nothing creates more confusion here than names. Be it company names or "common names". Either way. I have to surrender to and concur with KinoNiki. "Ajvide" seems indeed to be a middle name. Although it was a last name at first... I'm SO happy we aren't talking about the Spanish or let alone the Arabic naming system...! I think that even if Ken scraps the middle name field, the debate will still go on. Who knows, maybe it will be even more confusing at times. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TomGaines: Quote: Generally if you do not know otherwise, you put it into the middle name field. With a few exceptions, I think this is generally the accepted approach, even though Invelos has never designated it as the "correct" approach. | | | Hal |
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Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Also keep in mind that the program itself don't look at parsing to link. So if you have some with middle name... and some all in last name they will still link in your program. It won't link them on your local cast or crew lists, but for the CLU results this is true. Locally, parsing counts. If I get to one where I don't know, I check the existing credit results and see how they are parsing, and usually go wit hthe majority from that. Probably not always correct, but so far so good. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I can't seem to find it now... but I thought Ken had stated he made it so parsing didn't matter any more in the program... sometime within the last couple of updates? | | | Pete |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: I can't seem to find it now... but I thought Ken had stated he made it so parsing didn't matter any more in the program... sometime within the last couple of updates? I think what Ken said (but who can find quotes on this forum?) is that alternative parsings will not overwrite your local, just like BY-less contributions don't overwrite locally existing BYs. | | | Hans |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I wish I could find it (or think of a name that may have 2 versions in my local to test)... because I thought he said it would ignore the parsing. Now I am not sure if it meant it wouldn't over-write your local parsing... or if it completely ignores parsing all together. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: I wish I could find it (or think of a name that may have 2 versions in my local to test)... because I thought he said it would ignore the parsing. Now I am not sure if it meant it wouldn't over-write your local parsing... or if it completely ignores parsing all together. As I already demonstrated in a previous post, two different parsings are considered as different names in your local. | | | Images from movies |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | OK Thanks Yves, I was remembering his statement slightly wrong then. | | | Pete |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Two different parsings can just be added by yourself. (or are existing from old entries) They won't get forced by a download of a different parsing.
Until you just have Kirsten//Scott Thomas as only entry in your local database, every entry in a downloaded profile gets K//S T, no matter if the online entry is K/S/T or different.
So once deleted double entries with different parsings local, you never will get a double entry or a change of parsing without doing by yourself.
It's just in the online and will just affect you local if you don't have the person in your local database.
Edit: I think also with a Headshot you could get a second parsing in your local. | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
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