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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | So I picked up a re release of Saving Silverman same UPC/ same disc ID ( differant art jacket), but it is single-sided disc silk screened with only one OAR., as well as menu audio arrangement is different order .. The older disc is a ''flip disc'' with full screen one side and widescreen on the other ..
Now I understand that you can contribute DVD's that have a different Disc ID over another prerelease ( re-release in my eyes ).,, but you can't contribute these types of updated releases and with new re-releases that are brought back out everyday-, the studios/media company's 'opt' for same upc and different art therefore making the first edition obscure and out of print... How Can this be entered?? .. Obviously I would want my copy to be the true owned edtion to what I own and not a dual sided movie with differant audio properties ........ | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: How Can this be entered?? Unfortunately, at present, there is no other option than to store your data locally, and never contribute the fields that are different from the original release. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Sure it would be nice if the main database could hold both versions. Unfortunately it can't. But we can have the correct info locally and locked. And a bonus... all the info from your local locked profile is also in your online collection... other then cover-art. So while I would love to see it so both the original and any re-release(s) get into the main database. I don't see it as a huge problem either. | | | Pete |
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| Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Isn't it possible to add the re-release by disc-id? | | | Cor |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | True. If the original profile uses the UPC a new profile using the disc ID could be created for the re-release. |
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Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote: Isn't it possible to add the re-release by disc-id? As long as that disc ID is not being used by another profile (think boxset) Charlie |
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| Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote: Quoting Corne:
Quote: Isn't it possible to add the re-release by disc-id?
As long as that disc ID is not being used by another profile (think boxset)
Charlie Of course. But then it can't be added at the first place, corrected only (which isn't allowed) | | | Cor | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | But there may be a way to do this with the next edtion of Profiler .. and that would be to add a year of dvd release to the data .. .. This way the program would be looking for one of three data processing items for the dvd lookup in question. 1. UPC/EAN 2. Disc ID 3. Year of DVD release .. You would type in the UPC/ or have dvdrom scan the disk ID for initially adding the DVD and this item would be brought up in the catagorys of Title/ region/ year of release/ and DVD year of release. You would be able to quickly view the title in question and seeing that the cover art isn't the same you would then have the opportunity to look furthur down the page and find the same title/upc / differant year of dvd release and match those up.. It wouldn't be impossible to do just another column for DVD identity. Right now we are having daily occurances of same disc ID same UPC and re release problems everyday , and that list is growing longer. We currently have the same dvd release data with the same UPC but it is seperated in the data base by locality region .. If that can seperated the RE-releases could also be seperated .... upon reflection here is a better scenario to look at: (NOT that I would do this but) let's say that theoretically I could add this release as say..... Canada Quebec ( as an example sorry Jimmy) ... and the data base looks and sees there is NO locality for this DVD (under Quebec/Canada) I could then submit it and it along with all the new features and less some .. Same upc same disc ID and the data would accept it as a Quebec Canada release. but it isn't that locality so if you had a New locality under all the Others called rerelease ( as a locality, ... you could call it Rerelease ) you could then submit it and it would be accepted .. There must be ways around this major problem.. and others who under stand the way Invelos Profiler works must have better ideas than what I am stating here ..... It is something to contemplate for the future of Invelos ....... I say | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
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Registered: October 6, 2008 | Posts: 1,932 |
| Posted: | | | | ^ And if the Year of Release can have an additional character (i.e.: 1997; 1997a; 1997b) the system could then handle variant releases of the same year. |
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Registered: September 26, 2007 | Posts: 488 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: But there may be a way to do this with the next edtion of Profiler .. and that would be to add a year of dvd release to the data .. .. This way the program would be looking for one of three data processing items for the dvd lookup in question. 1. UPC/EAN 2. Disc ID 3. Year of DVD release .. I like that idea. It wouldn't require a lot of changes to the software (I suppose). Keep UPC + Locality or Disc ID + Locality as mandatory entries for a new profile and simply use the release date or release year as an optional entry to contribute another new profile for a re-release. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: So I picked up a re release of Saving Silverman same UPC/ same disc ID ( differant art jacket), but it is single-sided disc silk screened with only one OAR., as well as menu audio arrangement is different order .. The older disc is a ''flip disc'' with full screen one side and widescreen on the other ..
Are you sure that the audio tracks are in a different order? Because it was my understanding that if the disc IDs match, the discs should be identical in all respects. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | The audio are per playback in my 2004 menu is Dolby surround first , then 5.1 then commentary ..
The one listed here in the data base has it backwards and I can't correct it as I don't really own that version but the data base for the 2001 release lists 5.1 first then Dolby surround 2nd commentary 3rd .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Ok, I thought you had both releases. There is nothing to suggest then that there is any physical difference. As long as the disc IDs match, you should be able to correct the existing audio.
Of course you would still not be able to change it from dual to single sided so that information would have to remain in the database. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | nor could I remove the 1:33 as some Columbia discs are one sided and dual movies .. but more importantly Lets get some feedback on these ideas outlined above and get off the COM post .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
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Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote: Isn't it possible to add the re-release by disc-id? Probably not and here's why. The disc ID is usually the exact same as the FS side of the old dvd, because it is the exact same thing! This is common with Columbia Tristar titles. First release had a flipper disc with WS on one side, FS on the other. For re-issue, they just added disc artwork instead of the WS side, but used the same old FS masters (then kept the same UPC, even worse!), altered the feature box to remove anything that said WS or anamorphic, and put em back out so if you order online you don't know which you might get. I'm sure so many people were complaining about accidentally popping in the WS side and seeing those "horrible black bars" they can't stop watching. Pure assholism if you ask me. |
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