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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quick question: when profiling sound crew, do we credit the actual location where the post-production sound process took place? I haven't been doing this, but I ran into a few profiles where people put this into a group divider, so I'm now wondering about it.
Example: first, the credits show a header attributing the entire group of "Post Production Sound" crew to company Buena Vista Sound Studios - I can understand that being put into a group divider. But then there's an additional line that reads:
SOUND MIXED AT Sony/Cary Grant Theatre
Does that warrant a divider, too? I hope not, but I'd like to be sure... |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | I haven't actually run across that yet (I Think).
If the credit grouping is not the company that provided the service, then I would vote "No". We do not credit studio locations.
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"Post Production Sound Services provided by Skywalker Sound" is OK
"Sound Mixed at Sony Sound Studios" is not ok
Charlie |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quick question: when profiling sound crew, do we credit the actual location where the post-production sound process took place? I haven't been doing this, but I ran into a few profiles where people put this into a group divider, so I'm now wondering about it.
Example: first, the credits show a header attributing the entire group of "Post Production Sound" crew to company Buena Vista Sound Studios - I can understand that being put into a group divider. But then there's an additional line that reads:
SOUND MIXED AT Sony/Cary Grant Theatre
Does that warrant a divider, too? I hope not, but I'd like to be sure... That doesn't fit into one divider so the actual credits will fall under the last group divider "SOUND MIXED AT Sony/Cary Grant Theatre" and that's not what we're after. The problem is that the rules for dividers are open with only a few written guidelines  | | | | Cor |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
I haven't actually run across that yet (I Think).
If the credit grouping is not the company that provided the service, then I would vote "No". We do not credit studio locations.
So
"Post Production Sound Services provided by Skywalker Sound" is OK
"Sound Mixed at Sony Sound Studios" is not ok
Charlie That's how I deal with this as well. | | | | Cor |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,749 |
| | Posted: | | | | That might be me you're talking about. If I am doing it wrong, let me know and I will change it. The loose interpretation of the rules bites me all the time because I like data. My brain get a little loose on its interpretation also. Trust me, I don't take no votes personal. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I only credit the company that did the actual sound work, I do not credit the location. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well it depends on how the credits are written, if it's something like this:
Post-Sound by [Sound] Studio
Editor A
Editor B
Sound Mixed at [Sound] Stages
Re-recording Mixer A
Re-recording Mixer B
I think it's perfectly fine to convert the second heading into a group divider also
If it's credited something like this:
Post-Sound by [Sound] Studio
Mixed at [Sound] Stages
Supervising Sound Editor
Re-recording Mixer A
Re-recording Mixer B
In this case I would only enter the first line of the heading because the second line won't fit into the group divider. | | | | Cor |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Well it depends on how the credits are written, if it's something like this:
Post-Sound by [Sound] Studio
Editor A
Editor B
Sound Mixed at [Sound] Stages
Re-recording Mixer A
Re-recording Mixer B
I think it's perfectly fine to convert the second heading into a group divider also That's pretty much the exact opposite of what you said a few hours earlier - and I liked that better. Like all the others, I'd prefer to just credit the company that did the actual work, not where it was done. |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Corne:
Quote:
Well it depends on how the credits are written, if it's something like this:
Post-Sound by [Sound] Studio
Editor A
Editor B
Sound Mixed at [Sound] Stages
Re-recording Mixer A
Re-recording Mixer B
I think it's perfectly fine to convert the second heading into a group divider also
That's pretty much the exact opposite of what you said a few hours earlier - and I liked that better. Like all the others, I'd prefer to just credit the company that did the actual work, not where it was done. I was talking about one heading converted into a group divider. In this case there are two separate headings preceding a group of sound persons (the first the group of editors, the second the group of mixers). I also said in my post that the rules don;t say much about this matter and offer only a few guidelines. | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | That doesn't make much sense to me, Corne. Either we track "Sound Mixed at" credits, or we don't. I don't see how the same five words would turn into a divider in one profile, while the exact same five words could be ignored in the very next profile. It's one or the other.
It's true that the rules don't say very much on how to use dividers - they're not just lacking on this particular issue, but they don't give much guidance on the use of dividers at all. That unclarity is exactly what prompted my question here. As it stands, I agree with those that say that we credit the company that did the actual work, not where it was done. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
That doesn't make much sense, Corne. Either we track "Sound Mixed at", or we don't. I don't see how the same five words would turn into a divider in one profile, while the exact same five words could be ignored in the very next profile. It's one or the other. I will repeat my stance on this. If those two lines (the Studio and the Stage) together form a heading of one group then I say it's not wanted because that doesn't fit in one divider and we have to abbreviate accordingly (just like we do in other cases in which the heading doesn't fit a divider). In this case the Sound Stage heads a separate group of sound mixers and to me that's a huge difference. The first post in this topic suggests two group dividers heading one group and that's not what we're after. | | | | Cor |
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| Registered: December 13, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | never mind | | | | Last edited: by Mallrat |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think that there is a big difference between "Mixed at" and "Mixed by"
I can lease a studio space and equipment, but still provide and hire my own people. That would be a "Mixed At" credit.
If I hire a "Studio" to do the work, and they hire the technicians/mixers, then thay is a "Mixed by" credit.
I do not care where, as much as what company and employees do the mixing.
Charlie |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Charlie explained my feelings on this fairly well. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: December 13, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tim,
Do you really feel that this thread determines that it is against the rules to credit the actual location where the post-production sound process took place? Because that is what it takes to remove such data from an existing profile.
It seems to me that you have a personal preference on the matter. That's fine of course, but you are presenting it to the screeners as a rule in contribution King of California UPC: 8-711983-481183 , which seems to me like you're trying to manipulate them into changing the online to suit what you'd like, not what the rules in fact actually state. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
But then there's an additional line that reads:
SOUND MIXED AT Sony/Cary Grant Theatre
Does that warrant a divider, too? I hope not, but I'd like to be sure... No divider here. |
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