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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 115 |
| | Posted: | | | | First I was going to leave this alone. But then I thought what the hell, lets discuss. Rules are rules and laws are laws. This is for sure.  Fact is that we were still living in middle-ages and collecting rocks if humankind had always blindly followed all rules and laws exactly how they were written.  Therefore I stand up and fight for issues in that famous grey-area.  I have read the contribution rules Before You Contribute last segment. I'm a rebel and still made an contribution to old profile by adding additional DiscID.  Profile is UK Blu-ray 5050582587708 Gladiator.I dare to claim that no one in this forum hasn't missed discussion about Gladiator Blu-ray image quality issues.Many European countries will have new release for fixed disc titled as "10th Anniversary Edition". Most likely in the UK Universal is not going re-release Gladiator at all. They are just quietly changing the disc in the box. No new UPC/EAN. Because this is not an re-release but just an fixed new disc (IMO) ... ... I contributed this new DiscID to profile as additional id, not removed the old one. Then I was starting to get lots of NO votes referring to that rule posted earlier. I understand place for that rule for new cover images, case types, SRP, overview text, etc. By adding some useful extra info like this doesn't spoil or cause any harm to the original profile. Is this contribute really against the rules??? Or is it in that grey-area and we can start a stick fight for it? Considering NO votes and where ever this discussion leads if contribution still gets declined then I'll stand down, burn my sticks, barbecue some black bear and crawl back in to my cave to plan new intrigues.  Vengeance is mine, in some day I'll be back. |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'd like to refer the no votes to the DVD Specification part of the Rules (bold by me) - Quote:
Disc IDs
Add disc information for each disc using a DVD-ROM drive. Use the default descriptions wherever possible; do not change "Main Feature" to the film’s title. Use one description per disc. If a disc is double-sided, there is only one description for that disc.
Do not enter each side as a separate disc.
If a movie is on both sides of a disc in Widescreen and Pan & Scan or Full Frame versions, identify this by entering the Side A description as "Main Feature (Widescreen)" and the Side B description as "Main Feature (Pan & Scan)" or "Main Feature (Full Frame)", or the reverse if that is the order on the disc sides.
If a film spans 2 discs, add (Part 1) and (Part 2) to the “Main Feature” description.
If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it. All Disc IDs are stored in the main database and are used for disc identification within DVD Profiler.
The Disc ID seems to be the one area where we can submit different info. As long as you don't change any of the other details on the profile, I can't see a reason to say "No" to this one. | | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agree with Formerly known as... on this one. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 415 |
| | Posted: | | | | Assuming I'm reading you right, do not submit it as an additional disc, but replace the current Main Feature DiscID with your new DiscID and then contribute it.
As Formerly said, both DiscIDs will be stored on the database. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | There's no grey area in this case since the rules specifically allows it. But you should make a note preferably mentioning both the old and new disc id in your contribution notes to avoid ping-ponging in the future. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,749 |
| | Posted: | | | | Do these actually replace one another??? I was under the impression the new ones were added to the list of IDs for a particular profile.  | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | They replace what Profiler displays but it seems that Profiler remembers past ID's when inserted into the DVD drive of the PC.
Has anyone verified that logic? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
There's no grey area in this case since the rules specifically allows it. What do you think he did when he says "I contributed this new DiscID to profile as additional id, not removed the old one"? | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] | | | | Last edited: by bbbbb |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Quoting KinoNiki:
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There's no grey area in this case since the rules specifically allows it.
What do you think he did when he says "I contributed this new DiscID to profile as additional id, not removed the old one"? I see what you mean. That would be unconventional at least. But maybe it's a good idea to store all known disc IDs in the profile for everyone to see. I'm just not sure that this would be the best way... | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I disagree with that. It would make it look like there is more disc to each release then is actually there.
What I personally would like to see is Ken make it so that if he already has your disc ID in his database it wouldn't show up at all as an update. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is also happending with the US release of Gladiator. I know this for fact, as I had to read the small printed stuff from the inner ring to the phone rep when I ordered my replacment disc from Paramountto insure I had the old disc and could swap. I'm pretty sure Saving Private Ryan has a new disc as well, easy to spot in stores with yellow UPC boxes in place of white on original but messed up releases for both.
I like Addicted's idea about if the disc ID is in db, then it shouldn't show up on updates. Not sure if it's possible, but it would be nice and help stop ping-ponging IDs. |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
... What I personally would like to see is Ken make it so that if he already has your disc ID in his database it wouldn't show up at all as an update. Does it really show up as a new update? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | That is something Ken would have to say for sure I guess... but I know anytime mine is different then what is shown in the current profile it shows up as an update. Without being able to see all the ones there... there is no way to know for sure. But I suspect it does. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
They replace what Profiler displays but it seems that Profiler remembers past ID's when inserted into the DVD drive of the PC.
Has anyone verified that logic? I have not verified the logic, but the rules do make that claim: "If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it. All Disc IDs are stored in the main database and are used for disc identification within DVD Profiler." | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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... What I personally would like to see is Ken make it so that if he already has your disc ID in his database it wouldn't show up at all as an update.
Does it really show up as a new update? It does, yes. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Absolutely it shows as an update. While Ken may have a hidden database of all contributed disc IDs, only one can be on any given profile and the last one in is boss. As a result, it becomes a profile update because your version now differs from the online. Speaking of updates, is there any way to turn off the nag that reminds you that you haven't updated in a while? I'm getting sick of being told it's been 143 days since my last update. You would think after the first 100 days that I was aware of the issue and perhaps was purposely not updating. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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