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Movie of many names, which to use?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbigdaddyhorse
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So I won a dvd from a web contest and it's not in the db. The film is called Nazi Dawn on the cover (and the opening logo, more on that in a minute). But on the back cover, in the credit block where we get posessives from, it's called Deadwater.

A feature on the dvd is the "director's cut opening" which is slightly different than the main film, but has the title Deadwater and not Nazi Dawn. Then the making of says "making of Black Ops, aka Deadwater"

Here's the imdb link to the film.

I'm guessing front cover wins and this version should be under Nazi Dawn, but what about original title? I'm certain this was originally called Deadwater, no matter what the opening credit says.

FWIW, upc is 5060018491554, but web info is short as it's newish and uncared about.
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As things currently stand, if the on screen title during the feature matches the DVD title, that's what we go with.

I did start a thread back in February in the Contribution Rules area asking for the Credit Block to be used in some situations but as of yet, nothing has come of it.
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For the online you go strictly by the rules... so that would mean Front Cover for title field (as you said).

For the original title per rules it depends if this is a US movie. As the rules say...

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For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits. For titles released outside their country of origin, use the original release title.


So if you know it is a US movie it needs to come from the film's credits. If not you can research to see what the true original title is.

If I couldn't determine what the CoO is... I would stick with the movie credits.
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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So if you know it is a US movie it needs to come from the film's credits. If not you can research to see what the true original title is.

If I couldn't determine what the CoO is... I would stick with the movie credits.


This part of the rules, for me is hard to understand. If for instance I have a UK movie. The onscreen title differs from cover title, I'm supposed to look for the title under which it was released in theatres in the UK?

The way I have been doing it up until now, is I've taken the original title always from the credits.
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If the locality of the DVD is same as CoO: original title from movie credits/beginning.
If CoO differs from locality: Good luck on the search for the original title. 
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It gets better! I'm watching the end credits now and in the end credits it's called Black Ops, yet the title screen is Nazi Dawn.  
Decent enough flick, but anoying to try and profile.

So bottom line, looks like Nazi Dawn it is as it's front cover and opening credits. Maybe "Black Ops" for original title? But aren't O.T.'s suposed to be from opening credits too?

I'll probably leave O.T. blank for now, unless a post nudges me otherwise while doing the profile. I still have to scan covers and enter everything. Thankfully 99.9% of the Black Ops cast and crew are correct, so I can start with that and build on it. Missing all the sound and makeup folk though.

Oh yeah, movie is US, dvd is UK. Fark me!
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For contribution purposes:
Title: Nazi Dawn
Original Title: none

Locally, I'd enter it:
Title: Nazi Dawn
Original Title: Deadwater
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One other profile for this movie in database.
Title: Black Ops
Original Title: Deadwater

Locality US, so perhaps asking the owners of this disc could bring us a solution. (687797123794)

Edit: If the credit at movie beginning and in the end credit is also different, some clarification which one should be taken would be good. (Or am I the only one for whom it isn't clear?)
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One other profile for this movie in database.
Title: Black Ops
Original Title: Deadwater

Locality US, so perhaps asking the owners of this disc could bring us a solution. (687797123794)

Edit: If the credit at movie beginning and in the end credit is also different, some clarification which one should be taken would be good. (Or am I the only one for whom it isn't clear?)


Quoting the Rules:
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Use the title from the front cover
  (Nazi Dawn)

and

Quoting the Rules:
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For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits.
(Nazi Dawn)

and

Quoting the Rules:
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In cases where the title is the original title, leave the Original Title field blank.


Per the information provided in the OP, the DVD cover title is the same as the opening credits title, therefore, the Original Title field should be blank.

The only time we can use the "credit block" is to see if possessives are part of the title.
Hal
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Quoting hal9g:
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For contribution purposes:
Title: Nazi Dawn
Original Title: none

Locally, I'd enter it:
Title: Nazi Dawn
Original Title: Deadwater


Why would you follow the rules locally, and then not follow the rules for the online?

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Quoting hal9g:
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Per the information provided in the OP, the DVD cover title is the same as the opening credits title, therefore, the Original Title field should be blank.


...

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For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits. For titles released outside their country of origin, use the original release title.
99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1."
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Quoting Grendell:
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Quoting hal9g:
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Per the information provided in the OP, the DVD cover title is the same as the opening credits title, therefore, the Original Title field should be blank.


...

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For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits. For titles released outside their country of origin, use the original release title.


You are correct.  I missed the bit in his second post where he says it is a UK DVD.

Original Title should be Deadwater for the online contribution.
Hal
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Cannot believe how insane this place has become. I think sometimes I can believe it, but then it always gets crazier.


Was this really necessary? 
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Was this really necessary? 


It was for my sanity if you were serious, which I can see now you weren't. Sorry about that.
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