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Use of dividers when no roles, or dividers, are present in the credits. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | This issue was raised in this thread. The basic situation is as follows: There are actors, in the end credits, with no roles attached. It seems that the actors all played 'apes' in this particular film. The rules allow us to use the film itself, or another source to identify the role. The question, for this poll, is: Because the roles are all the same, can we use a group divider? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | I don't like the idea of creating dividers when there aren't any in the credits, and don't believe the rules allow for it, so I voted 'no'. I will, of course, bow to the will of the majority. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | I haven't voted as my opinion isn't covered by the poll.
As I stated in the other thread, I would use dividers ONLY if the credit information came from the official film site, not a 3rd party one. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Again just as with Alien's poll, this one is going in the wrong direction, Martian. Sorry, the issue is not granting license to necessarily invent Dividers where none exist.It iinvolves a specific credit design, which we refer to as non-Standard Credits, which allows us to obtain Role information from outside, in this case we collection of Actors which are all credited as Apes in various sites, so under the definition of a divider we simply a Divider called Apes. This creates a Profiler unique dataset, which contains the actor information as the film and the role data taken from elsewhere and makes it our own.
As noted the Rule state "Dividers allow the segregation of cast and crew into logical groupings. Wherever possible, these groupings should mirror the film credits.
We have a logical grouping, as to the rol;es we cannot mirror the credits since it is a Non-Standard listing, but the Actors names are listed correctly and in order so the only thing that remains is use of Divider to define the logical grouping of a list of Actors who all fall under the heading Apes and if i recall correctly one of them is also Moonwatcher, which is alsopermitted under the divider Rule.
I can't vote on flawed poll. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Changed my mind. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Changed your mind? Does that mean that you could not argue the point. Either of them, woo there;'s a rarity. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Changed your mind? Does that mean that you could not argue the point. Either of them, woo there;'s a rarity. No, it means I wrote a reply to your post, submitted it, then changed my mind as it wasn't relevant to the topic at hand. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Hmm. I seem to remember arguments about creating things from whole cloth, once upon a time.
If there is no divider in the film credits, then we cannot invent one.
The Rules clearly allow us to use other sources for Role Names. They say nothing about creating dividers from other sources.
Obviously, I voted no. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Agree... voted no as well | | | Pete |
| Registered: September 3, 2007 | Posts: 163 |
| Posted: | | | | Wouldn't doing this - putting in a divider when there isn't anything like that in the credits, be going against the contribution rule that says to take the cast from the credits? And wouldn't that be creating data that isn't there? | | | |
| Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,580 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm inclined to say, yes, use group dividers. Those dividers may not be graphically present in the on-screen credits, but then again they can't be since those actors aren't attributed a role.
Instead of seeing: X as ape Y as ape Z as ape etc
I'd rather see: APES: X Y Z
It seems tidier to me. Although I can understand the argument that when following the rules to the letter we aren't allowed to do this (however, I believe the spirit rather than the literal wording of the rule would suggest it's OK to do this). Perhaps someone at Invelos should weigh in on this. | | | Blu-ray collection DVD collection My Games My Trophies |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | I have voted no based on my understanding of the present guidelines. If I were to contribute this data as of today, I would not use dividers.
But, locally, I would then change my collection to what Taro outlined as I too think it looks better.
I am of the mind that since we have dividers, I want to use them. Please note that I only do so locally if there is any conflict with invelos guidelines. |
| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: I have voted no based on my understanding of the present guidelines. If I were to contribute this data as of today, I would not use dividers.
But, locally, I would then change my collection to what Taro outlined as I too think it looks better.
I am of the mind that since we have dividers, I want to use them. Please note that I only do so locally if there is any conflict with invelos guidelines. My thoughts to a T. I would much prefer to use dividers, but would not submit them to the database as such because of the current guidelines. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,945 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote: I'm inclined to say, yes, use group dividers. Those dividers may not be graphically present in the on-screen credits, but then again they can't be since those actors aren't attributed a role.
Instead of seeing: X as ape Y as ape Z as ape etc
I'd rather see: APES: X Y Z
It seems tidier to me. Although I can understand the argument that when following the rules to the letter we aren't allowed to do this (however, I believe the spirit rather than the literal wording of the rule would suggest it's OK to do this). Perhaps someone at Invelos should weigh in on this. +1 | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,749 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote: I'm inclined to say, yes, use group dividers. Those dividers may not be graphically present in the on-screen credits, but then again they can't be since those actors aren't attributed a role.
Instead of seeing: X as ape Y as ape Z as ape etc
I'd rather see: APES: X Y Z
It seems tidier to me. Although I can understand the argument that when following the rules to the letter we aren't allowed to do this (however, I believe the spirit rather than the literal wording of the rule would suggest it's OK to do this). Perhaps someone at Invelos should weigh in on this. +1 | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | I would allow both.
If we can invent roles, why not also dividers. (Of course mentioned in the contribution notes) |
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