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| Registered: April 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 146 |
| | Posted: | | | | so there i was, auditing the credits for this when i noticed the following...which i thought i would gather opinions before submitting the contribution.
within the crew section of the end credits, there are 2 other sections with the headers "Australian Crew" and "United States Crew" which contain various Sound (PSM) & Art (art directors, make-up and SFX) crew members.
in the current online profile, these members are listed as normal crew. so the question is.....should they be removed as unit crew members or left in? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is not unit crew. This is Principle Photography in Australia and the US. Rather than fly the support crew from the US to Australia, they hired local crew. So, in my opinion, they should remain. However, they should be placed under a group divider of 'Australian Crew' and 'United States Crew'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
This is not unit crew. Sure they are unit crew. The question is whether those units are equally standing side by side or whether there is a main unit and one or several second units. I would go by the following criteria: If there is a credit for a job before the unit credits, I would consider the corresponding credits below the unit divider as "second" unit crew. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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  | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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This is not unit crew.
Sure they are unit crew. The question is whether those units are equally standing side by side or whether there is a main unit and one ore several second units.
I would go by the following criteria:
If there is a credit for a job before the unit credits, I would consider the corresponding credits below the unit divider as "second" unit crew. Indeed, that's the way I do it. | | | | Cor |
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| Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 146 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
I would go by the following criteria:
If there is a credit for a job before the unit credits, I would consider the corresponding credits below the unit divider as "second" unit crew. of the credits, all are also present outside these crew section except for the production sound mixer credit (of which there is 1 present in each of the location crew). |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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This is not unit crew.
Sure they are unit crew. The question is whether those units are equally standing side by side or whether there is a main unit and one ore several second units.
I would go by the following criteria:
If there is a credit for a job before the unit credits, I would consider the corresponding credits below the unit divider as "second" unit crew. This I would disagree with. Martian is more correct in defining this. I have seen and audited a number of movies which have multiple "Location Unit/Crew" and also have "Second Units" for those locations. The question comes down to, are they filming primary footage, footage that the main cast is present for (primary director is also usually present), or is this secondary footage (what I call fill shots (crowds, city back drops, etc)? If it is primary footage, then the crew involved in that shooting should be included in the credits. If it is secondary filming, then no. IMO Charlie |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting zwoti: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
I would go by the following criteria:
If there is a credit for a job before the unit credits, I would consider the corresponding credits below the unit divider as "second" unit crew.
of the credits, all are also present outside these crew section except for the production sound mixer credit (of which there is 1 present in each of the location crew). That tells me they were Principal, not unit, crew. Do they have their own director and cinematographer? An answer of 'no' is another indicator as unit crew will have its own director and cinematographer. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wouldn't it be a good thing to define what is unit/2nd unit/3rd unit crew and what is principal location crew? There are some conditions already given here. I think it would be wise to make some sort of checklist which could be added to the rules. Or would that be too difficult? | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry, but this looks all unit crew to me. Apparently I have no idea how to implement this rule... So just to be safe, I would leave them out. Would it have mattered if the headers had said Australian Unit and United States Unit?  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Wouldn't it be a good thing to define what is unit/2nd unit/3rd unit crew and what is principal location crew? There are some conditions already given here. I think it would be wise to make some sort of checklist which could be added to the rules. Or would that be too difficult? I think this would be a very good thing. I think basing the decisions purely on the word "unit" is misleading. In this specific case, I don't have the film so can't be sure, but the lack of a separate director suggests that they're location crew not unit crew. Whether we want to list location crew or not is another matter. |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting Corne:
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Wouldn't it be a good thing to define what is unit/2nd unit/3rd unit crew and what is principal location crew? There are some conditions already given here. I think it would be wise to make some sort of checklist which could be added to the rules. Or would that be too difficult?
I think this would be a very good thing. I think basing the decisions purely on the word "unit" is misleading.
In this specific case, I don't have the film so can't be sure, but the lack of a separate director suggests that they're location crew not unit crew. Whether we want to list location crew or not is another matter. Unit crew is specifically disallowed by the rules location crew isn't. | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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