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Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | I have a release of public domain films. Some of the films are obviously from prints that were cut for TV - and are lacking the film credits. The credits have been trimmed off. I have located a streaming copy with the credits intact on the internet. At least for my local I'm going to copy the credits from the more complete streaming video. Should I submit the credits this way? Or should I submit them marked as 'uncredited' because some dummy at Passport Video decided to use these prints instead of the more complete ones with the credits? | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 20,111 |
| Posted: | | | | I wouldn't submit them as "uncredited", if you can indeed verify them from another valid film credit source as you said. Just be sure to list it in your notes. I also own some movies where the credits are cut off early, cropped off the screen, or the transfer is so bad that you simply cannot read them at all. Bogus! | | | Corey |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | The thing is that we create profiles on disc-level and not on film-level. So for your disc the people that do not appear in the credits (of this specific disc) are in fact uncredited and have to be treated that way. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: February 10, 2008 | Posts: 244 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote: The thing is that we create profiles on disc-level and not on film-level. So for your disc the people that do not appear in the credits (of this specific disc) are in fact uncredited and have to be treated that way. I agree... this is a release of the movie without credits, so it should be handled according to the rules as uncredited cast |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote: The thing is that we create profiles on disc-level and not on film-level. So for your disc the people that do not appear in the credits (of this specific disc) are in fact uncredited and have to be treated that way. I have to agree with this... for that particular release they would be uncredited. | | | Pete |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Me 2, but we will lose nearly all crew credits. For some rare cases it would be good to have an "uncerdited" option for those, too. |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote: Me 2, but we will lose nearly all crew credits. For some rare cases it would be good to have an "uncerdited" option for those, too. Not according to Ken, as he has publicly stated that they actually can be listed from an external-but-official source (and I'd say a copy of the same film with the credits intact qualifies as an official source). | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | Personallly I think the uncredited crew should be expanded to allow for people who won awards, such as Oscars, Emmys, Grammy's etc. But the data has to come from those awards official sites or a database run by them.
For example the song writers for Born Free won an Oscar for that song, but aren't credited in the film credits itself. But can be found on the Oscars searchable database website. |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting VirusPil:
Quote: Me 2, but we will lose nearly all crew credits. For some rare cases it would be good to have an "uncerdited" option for those, too. Not according to Ken, as he has publicly stated that they actually can be listed from an external-but-official source (and I'd say a copy of the same film with the credits intact qualifies as an official source). Seems I missed that. I agree that the problem is very similar, so an official source (official movie site or in this case a version of the movie with full credits) can help and we can assume it is Ok to use them. But Of course I would fully mention the problem in the contribution notes, so we can track it better back. |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting VirusPil:
Quote: Me 2, but we will lose nearly all crew credits. For some rare cases it would be good to have an "uncerdited" option for those, too. Not according to Ken, as he has publicly stated that they actually can be listed from an external-but-official source (and I'd say a copy of the same film with the credits intact qualifies as an official source). This, of course, leads to the strange result, that the "uncredited" cast hast to be marked that way, while the, otherwise disallowed, uncredited crew will not be distinguishable from the credited. ... But since it's an official statement by Ken, I will not argue about it. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | Thanks everybody. What's odd is that this is the fourth disc in the set, and the previous three all have the opening credits intact. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote: This, of course, leads to the strange result, that the "uncredited" cast hast to be marked that way, while the, otherwise disallowed, uncredited crew will not be distinguishable from the credited. ... But since it's an official statement by Ken, I will not argue about it. That is indeed a strange aspect of that ruling - it would have made much more sense to not tick (uncredited) for the cast either. I've never understood this discrepancy, but hey: as long as we get the film's actual cast and crew in the profile, where they rightfully belong, I'll take it. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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