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Núñez or Nunez / éric or eric ? (Locked)
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLostmule
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What is the reason to remove the accent on correctly spelled name? For example, my name is éric, not eric.. there is a big difference between the two. Is it that we are "englicizing" the names? Yet we use special characters in the overview when applicable... thought?
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We follow the credits, Lost. If the accent is there fine, if not don't invent it. BTW it has NOTHING to do with angocizing the names, it is about HOW they are credited On Screen.
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We don't remove the accent if it's present in the credits. However, we don't add it if it's not. We simply do an exact upper to lower case match.

E = e
É = é
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Quoting Lostmule:
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What is the reason to remove the accent on correctly spelled name?


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This stubborn attitude is the main reason of the incredible mess of the online database, where we find Francois Berleand, François Berleand, Francois Berléand, François Berléand, with no linking...
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Quoting Lostmule:
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Is it that we are "englicizing" the names?

It's not. It's just the principle that we don't necessarily use "real" or "correct" names, but simply the most-credited form of the name, as explained by Ken here:

Quoting Ken Cole:
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The common name is not intended to always reflect the "real name", but the most commonly credited name.

So if you're mostly credited as "Eric", then for DVD Profiler purposes your common name is "Eric", even if your real name is "Éric". And while Oscar Nuñez' name is, indeed, Oscar Nuñez, for our purposes his common name is Oscar Nunez, because that's what he's mostly credited as.
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Quoting surfeur51:
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What is the reason to remove the accent on correctly spelled name?


Reason is that English speaking people have never wanted to try to understand how it works outside their own language area. 

This stubborn attitude is the main reason of the incredible mess of the online database, where we find Francois Berleand, François Berleand, Francois Berléand, François Berléand, with no linking...

How many times do I have to explain this Yves It has nothing to do with ANY language, it does have to do with how the data is credited. You are the one that is hung up on language or culture, NOT the program. It is simply how someone is credited. Take for example Lost's example since Eric is a very common name in English, would he then assume that because he is éric, then ALL erics are the same...he better not. All we have to go on is the data that appears On Screen, that is the basis for data entry, no language of any kind from anywhere.<sheesh>

Additionally let's suppose that Oscar Nunez chose to anglicize his own name, that his right. Then trying to claim Oscar Nuñez is his real name could very well be a false claim, that si why we only go with the data, and we are not concerned with "real" or "correct" name. The credits is all we have.
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Well said Tim
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Here's an example from my own library of a French film.

Have you ever heard me say anything about wanting anglicize any of the names or Roles involved, no that's because it's about the Credits not any culture or language. IF I am going to buy a foreign language film, the same Rule applies to them as it does to Englis language. AS CREDITED, not as I imagine it to be. But what actually appears On Screen
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Here's an example from my own library of a French film.

Here's a quick tip: you seem to have forgotten to add the much-needed, hyphenated "Jean-Claude Dreyfus" common name (which I'm guessing you did use to base the parsing on) to the "Jean Claude Dreyfus" credit (CLT: 64 titles vs. only 2). 
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LOL, thanks, Tim. I didn't forget, for reasosn which you know well, I generally don't use Common names.
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Here's an example from my own library of a French film.

Have you ever heard me say anything about wanting anglicize any of the names or Roles involved, no that's because it's about the Credits not any culture or language. IF I am going to buy a foreign language film, the same Rule applies to them as it does to Englis language. AS CREDITED, not as I imagine it to be. But what actually appears On Screen



Interesting example. Here are the screen captures of this movie. End credits have no roles for main actors, then roles in French for less important roles.





As you use only AS CREDITED, not as you imagine it to be, but what actually appears On Screen, can you document where you found the roles in English "Old man visiting Battlefield" for Michel Robin, and "Priest" for Michel Vuillermoz ???

   

PS. I know that when there is no role, you can add after viewing the movie. But the least that we can say is that your example has nothing to do with "as on screen". And yes, you anglicized roles.
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No, you aren't worth arguing with
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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it shouldn't be that way.


But it was the example you chose to show me how "per the rules" you are, and teach me how to use those rules. In fact, I'm not sure you'll be able to learn me anything concerning this point, I think I know everything.
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I do remain hopeful that someday you will get a clue and get over your natiionalistic attitude. But I am not holding my breath,
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