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......her flight home has been cancelled because of the Icelandic volcano.

She's just texted me from her sun-drenched lounger beside the hotel's swimming pool (chilled juice to hand, naturally) and as you can imagine she's pretty devastated. 

But on a more serious note, Madame Mole & I were wondering why this particular eruption (Eyjafjallajokull) is causing so much disruption There is almost continuous volcanic activity in Iceland, much of it very spectacular but which does not bring air travel in Europe to its knees.

Is this one on a much bigger scale than the "usual" eruptions in Iceland, or is it that the Jetstream is flowing in a particular direction at this time of year?

Any experts here?
Chris
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I don't remember any disruptions in May 1980  for Mount St Helens,  at that time the volcanic ash spread east to south east thru the United States ..
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I don't remember any disruptions in May 1980  for Mount St Helens,  at that time the volcanic ash spread east to south east thru the United States ..


Yes, that was pretty much what we were thinking. I remember the reports that the ash from MSH had spread all over the globe. Perhaps the density of the ash particulates in the air was much less than the current time, or maybe jet engines are more "sensitive" to particlate damage, or maybe even that the aviation authorities are just more aware/knowledgeable/cautious than they were 30 years ago.
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That linked article goes on to say that at the time in 1980 no one thought of grounding airlines just fly around the plumes.. But problem was no one could see this during night time flights..
I believe this NEW 2010 ash is mostly displaced and is a much larger area of smoke rather than just a plume of smoke. I live 600 miles form MSH  and I remember the following day having a thin layer of ash on my windshield and the taste of it was like eating sulphur ( like a match stick head) .. Lots of metallic and heavy carbons in this ash .

On a lighter note I love the story of John Cleese and his $5000 cab ride..  Can you imagine being the driver? I hope he was a Python Fan and pumped him non stop for Q&A ..... 
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the volcanic ash is made of little rocks and when it goes into the jet engines and does not pass through and cools inside the engines and the particles attach themselves and will cause the engines to fail. the ash basically suffocates the engines. that's why the flights are delayed.
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another good link for this post ..
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I remember Mount St. Helens - when I got out of work and went to my car, all the vehicles were covered in ash. I hadn't heard about the volcanic eruption until I got home so I didn't know what the heck was all over my car. I'm still amazed that the ash traveled more than 2,600 miles and landed on my car.
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See here and
here for some USGS pages on ash.

Also an article from Boeing which mentions some aircraft encounters with Mount St. Helens ash.

There are different flavors of eruptions and types of ash, so there may be few volcanoes that can be directly compared to Iceland's, especially if you include geography, winds and precipitation.

Trivially, i remember the next season Washington apples after MSH blew out were outstanding.  Almost 30 years later and still the best apples i've ever tasted.  I think the ash gets much of the credit.

Finally, if you ever find your self in southwest Washington state (it's an easy day trip from Portland or Seattle) going out to MSH is a worthwhile trip.
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Those USGS pages are fascinating. There's one section that states:

Interaction with water can cause magmas that would normally erupt lava flows to explode into ash particles, or cause normally explosive eruptions into more energetic eruptions. These eruptions are called phreatomagmatic eruptions........

I think that Eyjafjallajokull is in a glacier region. Perhaps that would explain the huge amounts of dispersed ash?

And it seems that I was correct in surmising that the aviation authorities are more cautious these days.

Ah well, Sis will just have to show some of that "British stiff upper lip" and go back to the pool.....at least for today; she said that she wasn't sure whether the hotel had any spare rooms for the rest of the week.
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Ah well, Sis will just have to show some of that "British stiff upper lip" and go back to the pool.....at least for today; she said that she wasn't sure whether the hotel had any spare rooms for the rest of the week.

Should be no problem, as incoming guests will have been cancelled as well... just an enforced holiday.
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Trivially, i remember the next season Washington apples after the MSH blew out were outstanding.  Almost 30 years later and still the best apples i've ever tasted.  I think the ash gets much of the credit.

That's why Japan's Mandarin Oranges are so Superior to China's as the Volcanic soil is great food for the Oranges in the shadow of Mount Fuji ..
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To learn all about Volcano's

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My dad was stationed at Ft. Louis when MSH blew, the ash that hit us had traveled around the world.

He took me and my brother as close as we could get before they closed the roads leading towards it.  The ash plume raising up was damn impressive and there was a thick layer of ash everywhere.  We took a jar of the ash home and it was quite fine once it dried out.
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This is definitely bad news, but let's just hope a supervolcano like Yellowstone (which is very much alive) doesn't erupt within our lifetimes...which would be many, many magnitudes more severe.
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This is definitely bad news, but let's just hope a supervolcano like Yellowstone (which is very much alive) doesn't erupt within our lifetimes...which would be many, many magnitudes more severe.


if it did erupt then there wouldn't be many more lifetimes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervolcano

think extinction..
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This is definitely bad news, but let's just hope a supervolcano like Yellowstone (which is very much alive) doesn't erupt within our lifetimes...which would be many, many magnitudes more severe.


or the one that is under Hollywood California .......   
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