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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRomzarah
Registered: January 11, 2008
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st thought I would post these examples for you to look at.

Existing scan.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad98/Romzarah/example01.jpg

New scan.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad98/Romzarah/example01-new.jpg

Existing scan.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad98/Romzarah/example02.jpg

New scan.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad98/Romzarah/example02-new.jpg

So, No difference?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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Quoting Romzarah:
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st thought I would post these examples for you to look at.

Existing scan.


New scan.


Existing scan.


New scan.


So, No difference?




Yes, new ones are better.
Images from movies
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorThe Movieman
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Existing:


New:



Existing:


New:
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Image contribution quality, unless really obvious, is very subjective.  If you believe your scans are superior, point out the specific areas where they are.  If other people don't agree, you just have to live with it.  If you take it personally, you will just drive yourself nuts.

In addition, when we vote, we don't see the images blown up like that.  We see them resized to the invelos standard.  At that resolution, there may be no dissernable difference.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
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Judging based on images that size? It's a joke right. What Martian said.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
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You also have to realize that a lot of people are not looking at them on a hi-resolution monitor/TV. I for one am and see most of your scans as significantly better, at the Invelos default.
Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002.
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I agree with the Martian... also you need to keep in mind that the voters/screeners must take the images as a whole. Even if a small portion (as you showed above) is better... that don't necessarily mean it is overall better. Other portions of the scan may not be as good.  So we would have to weigh the better versus what may not be better. I know I personally have voted neutral on a lot of your scans because of this.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRomzarah
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I have no problem see all the distortion in the old scans I am replacing. I see them even in the cover box of my layout before clicking on them to open the larger window.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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I haven't been scanning images too long myself. But I have already come to realize that when it comes to scans... it is very subjective. I don't even bother worrying about no votes on scans. As every monitor is different and everyone's eyes are different... you can get no votes that you just don't understand. I usually just either let it ride and let the screeners decide or withdraw the contribution and lock my scans locally.
Pete
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I hate to bring this here but....since he is raising the issue this is by the same user who makes the following comments in his notes

"New high res cover scans, less distortion. To Woola, buy a real computer and, or get new glasses."

I have several THOUSANDS not Hundreds of dollars in a computer system that was built expressly for graphics and profiler. Thqt is constantly calibrated to Pantone standards, insulting remarks such as the above are not appreciated and are insulting. If I think you have done better I vote yes, the trouble is most of time you don't, you obliterate details, wash out colors and in some cases you tweak the white levels to the point that they are blooming. When you do better i vote yes you know that, but MOST of the time you do much worse, sadly.

I have told Rom all of this privately, his scans are typically just not as good as he thinks they are. I am sorry, I vote based on what I see, i don't need a new computer or new glasses, thank you. I judge your work simply based on what I see and i am not blowing up images to impossible sizes to analyze them I judge them based on Invelos standards, not some blown up image.

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CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRomzarah
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Most the time I don't? Odd, 9 out of 10 or even more get released. And 9 out of 10 that you vote no on get lots more yes votes. If your computers is so good why is it that you "don't know what you are talking about in distortion"? If your system was so good you would see it as I do, even without blowing the image up.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Distortion, my rfriend, means NOTHING. You don't describe the distortion, now that i know that you are blowing images up to impossible sizes I know what you are referring to, however the rules don't dictate that, the Invelos standar is 500 x 700. SDistortion can mean a lot of things. I will continue to judge your work as i always do when I can vote yes, i will, but i expect that i will vote No a lot because your work is not as good as you think it is, and blowing it up isn't useful. nor will I leave insulting comments aimed at you, i simply judge your work and i leave as detailed notes about what I see as I have room for.

I am sorry if you don't like it, but that's not my problem. I am honest in my assessment of what i see.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
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I've just had a look at how these scans show in the contribution itself. While the originals might be a vast difference, on the contribution the difference is minimal. If I had this release I might vote "Yes" to it due to less compression artefacts but it's not a "significant" improvement. I'm willing to bet that if the user who submitterd the current cover were to resubmit it (if they still have the image as scanned) it would be a roughly equal improvement due to a change in the upload procedure since then.

As others have said it's a very subjective area and you shouldn't take it to heart if someone votes "No".

That said, there are some users I have seen who vote against any scans which would replace theirs. There was one I tried to replace one for a UK Blu-ray several months back where the online held a poorly coloured/contrasted version. It appeared that only I and the previous contributor had the title and they voted "No" and it was declined. Do I think it was wrong to decline it, of course but I just locked it and kept my (IMHO) improved one to myself.
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well it WAS a nice couple of days... 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantTheDarkKnight
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well it WAS a nice couple of days... 





Was that really necessary?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRomzarah
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Distortion, my rfriend, means NOTHING. You don't describe the distortion, now that i know that you are blowing images up to impossible sizes I know what you are referring to, however the rules don't dictate that, the Invelos standar is 500 x 700. SDistortion can mean a lot of things. I will continue to judge your work as i always do when I can vote yes, i will, but i expect that i will vote No a lot because your work is not as good as you think it is, and blowing it up isn't useful. nor will I leave insulting comments aimed at you, i simply judge your work and i leave as detailed notes about what I see as I have room for.

I am sorry if you don't like it, but that's not my problem. I am honest in my assessment of what i see.

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You didn't read my post. "If your system was so good you would see it as I do, even without blowing the image up."

I don't have to blow them up to see the distortion. If there is no room for improving the data, than the database can't get better. If there has to be a "significant" improvement on any data, than there will always be wrong data and inferior images. Well DVDP used to be the only good program out there, but now there is others. Maybe they will be happy to have any improvement over no improvement.
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