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A little help? Should "duplicate" titles count towards common name?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMerrik
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Wanted to get some other opinions on this one.

I have a thread for common name for Robert G. Tapert / Robert Tapert / Rob Tapert that's been going for the past few days here: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=425090&PageNum=2

The latest updated list is on the second page.

The question I've been asking myself since I posted the thread (and it was briefly brought up in the thread) is should "duplicate" titles count as 1 separate title when determining a common name.

For instance, in that thread, you'll see titles for Hercules: The Legendary Journeys: The Xena Trilogy, Xena: Warrior Princess: Director’s Cut, Cleopatra Space Angels 1 (Cleopatra 2525), Cleopatra Space Angels 2 (Cleopatra 2525), Cleopatra Space Angels 3 (Cleopatra 2525) & Sliders: The Third Season: Disc 4.

All of these titles, which count as separate and original titles according to the CLT, come from already counted tv seasons. Like Hercules: The Xena Trilogy. All three episodes contained on that disc, are already part of Hercules Season 1. Xena Director’s Cut is simply the two-part finale edited together. The Cleopatra Space Angels titles are simply a couple of episodes from seasons 1 & 2. The Sliders credit is for a bonus episode of Cleopatra 2525 included on that specific disc, but already counted in the series boxset.

There’s also a pain in the ass title (Spirit Trap) that I can’t for the life of me get into my local for the lack of the UPC (it doesn’t come up with any search terms from the title or original title) to pm someone about, but simply contains an episode of Xena (and all of the seasons have already been verified).

It’s my thought process, that these “duplicate” titles should be removed when determining a common name as the credit has already been counted for the tv season, if not, the credited name in effect, gets a double count for one specific profile.

As it stands now Robert Tapert has 21 verified credits. Removing the duplicates, would cause his verified credits to stand at 20 verified credits. Rob Tapert has 22 verified credits. Removing the duplicates, would cause his verified credits to stand at 17, leaving Robert Tapert as the clear common name.

I’m not entirely sure what to do here, and wanted to see what others thought.

Thanks in advance!
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He seems to be going by Rob lately. I recommend wait a few years for him to do some more movies and this will solve itself.
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Yeah, these duplicates are a nuisance when you're trying to get to "pure" title counts. Not to mention foreign-language duplicates (e.g. German-language titles for US films or TV series). The best way to count titles I can come up with is to count Original Titles. Unfortunately, for this to work properly, the Original Title field would have to be completed across profiles n a consistent way - and that is not always the case.
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Should "duplicate" titles count towards common name?

No.

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As it stands now Robert Tapert has 21 verified credits. Removing the duplicates, would cause his verified credits to stand at 20 verified credits. Rob Tapert has 22 verified credits. Removing the duplicates, would cause his verified credits to stand at 17, leaving Robert Tapert as the clear common name.

So "Robert Taper" it is.

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The best way to count titles I can come up with is to count Original Titles.

That's indeed what the CLT does.

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Unfortunately, for this to work properly, the Original Title field would have to be completed across profiles n a consistent way - and that is not always the case.

That's indeed the big problem. Especially TV shows are a big problem here due to localized season indicators being entered as part of the title - if someone is credited as, say, "Philip" (with one L) throughout his entire career, yet as "Phillip" (with two L's) in just one random 'Star Trek' episode, then our CLT will happily declare the latter to be the "winner", and you'll have to manually discount all the duplicates to get the accurate balance. Terribly frustrating - Invelos really needs to address that. Putting the season indicator for TV sets in a separate field would do a world of good for this issue, for instance.
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Interesting. So actors in a TV series get for every different season/profile for a season one more clt count.

If there's a TV series, with Disc level child profiles and cast is written in parent and childs does it get two CLT counts, too?
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Interesting. So actors in a TV series get for every different season/profile for a season one more clt count.

If there's a TV series, with Disc level child profiles and cast is written in parent and childs does it get two CLT counts, too?

And by the same token for TV Series, they get only ONE count, no matter how many episodes or on the disc. This can also result in problems.There is no perfection.

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If there's a TV series, with Disc level child profiles and cast is written in parent and childs does it get two CLT counts, too?

Yes. Multiply that with two dozen localities, and you've got yourself a huge mess. As noted earlier: putting the season/disc indicators in a separate field (which the CLT can subsequently ignore in its count) would do a world of good.
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Actually restructuring the linking system would do the most good.

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Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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He seems to be going by Rob lately. I recommend wait a few years for him to do some more movies and this will solve itself.


Hmmmm. I'm not entirely sold that that's the best way to go. I side with T!M's line of thinking that Robert Tapert seems to be the clear cut common name as of now. Waiting isn't the worst thing in the world to do, but around these parts, that's all we seem to do... wait. What if in five years, the issue isn't cleared up? There's at least a few projects the guy has worked on that don't seem to be released on DVD/Bluray at the moment. What if in the next five years, all of those get a release and we're still stuck at this exact same spot? What do we do then? Wait another few years? All that time, the really incorrect and bad data that's clogging up the system for him sits there and continues to spread?

If Robert Tapert is his common name as of now, then that's his common name. Yes, that could change, it could change with anyone really, and entries could have to be revised in a few years down the road. But wouldn't it be better to have to change those entries while starting off with correct and clear data than a clusterf**k of incorrect data? Wouldn't having correct entries in a ton of locals make it easier to submit those changes if/when the info changes?

That's just the way my mind processes it anyway.
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And just in case it read a specific way... I just wanted to say that I wasn't at all meaning to attack your opinion in my previous post Ace!! You were a huge help in verifying all those credits (really, you totally went above and beyond in my opinion!) and your opinion on the matter is very much appreciated! (It is to everyone that's responded. Big greens for all of you!) It's just that I disagree. 

I agree with T!M and Skip that the CLT really needs to be corrected in a way that would eliminate these problems.

I'm going to edit the list in the other thread to remove the duplicate titles, which at this point leaves Robert Tapert as the common name I guess!
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