Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1  Previous   Next
'Iron Man' Question
Author Message
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
Profiling since Dec. 2000
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Netherlands Posts: 8,723
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
The on-screen credit for Stan Lee, Don Heck, Larry Lieber and Jack Kirby reads: "Based on the Marvel Comic Book By". The profile for my copy of 'Iron Man' has these entered as original characters by, while I would have expected "Based on the Marvel Comic Book By" to result in an original material by credit. Checking the various entries in the database using the CLT, I find that about half of the 'Iron Man' profiles uses OMB for this, while the other half uses OCB...

So, just to be sure: what should it be?
 Last edited: by T!M
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDr. Killpatient
Here's my card
Registered: May 19, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 5,917
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I'd say OMB because it's based on the Comic.  The comic is based on the characters.

But there's circular logic in there too!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorVirusPil
uncredited
Registered: January 1, 2009
Reputation: Highest Rating
Germany Posts: 3,087
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
I would go for Original characters by because it's matching so good into the notes from the credit chart  :
Quote:
Used for screenplays based on characters from another work, credit the author of the characters here. For example comic adaptations and sequels.


But OMB sounds also not wrong, because, like you said, it's based on the comic book by ..., so it's adapted from another medium.

I dont't think in cases like this, the bound can be drawn this exact.
 Last edited: by VirusPil
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAce_of_Sevens
Registered: December 10, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Posts: 3,004
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
This shoudl be OMB. It's adapted from specific stories they did, not just the characters.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,201
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting VirusPil:
Quote:
I would go for Original characters by because it's matching so good into the notes from the credit chart  :
Quote:
Used for screenplays based on characters from another work, credit the author of the characters here. For example comic adaptations and sequels.

This is the reason I always use OCB for comic adaptations.  While I can see it being argued the other way, I have a hard time going against the example given in the rules.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
 Last edited: by TheMadMartian
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAce_of_Sevens
Registered: December 10, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Posts: 3,004
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
It doesn't say comic adaptations are always OCB, only that it's one situation where the credit is frequently appropriate. X-Men would be OCB because it isn't actually based on a specific story written by Stan Lee et all. Iron Man is.
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantgardibolt
digitally Obsessed
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 1,414
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Agreed.  The origin from Tales of Suspense 39 is very close to what's in the movie (updating to a more recent war, of course).
"This movie has warped my fragile little mind."
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
Strength Through Unity
Registered: May 19, 2007
Reputation: Superior Rating
Germany Posts: 6,730
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
For comic adaptions I usually use OCB, except if the credit is something like "Based on story XY by ..."
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


Registrant since 05/22/2003
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMerrik
NON-STEPFORD PROFILER
Registered: September 30, 2008
Reputation: Highest Rating
Canada Posts: 1,805
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
It's not just based on one story though. Which is weird because that fact doesn't really help either arguement in any way. The character of Iron Monger, who appears in the movie, didn't appear in the comics until much much later in Iron Man's run (first time in armor I believe was issue #200).

So it's not specifically based on one original source material by all the above mentioned people, but it is based on the character created by them.

Iron Man was created by the above mentioned, which supports the original character by arguement, the origin is similar, which supports the original material by. Extra stories and characters were added in (such as Iron Monger, created by writer Dennis O'Neill), Pepper Potts (created by Stan Lee as well, but also Robert Bernstein) and James Rhodes (created by Bob Layton, Sr., David Michelinie & John Byrne).

So with all those characters added in but none of the creators getting a credit, a credit or original material by seems to fit, but considering it's not based on just one story, original characters by seems to fit as well. I'm just confusing myself. 

The original credit in the film doesn't really help either, as it could obviously mean both for the purposes of DVDProfiler.

I personally don't think it's specific enough to point out one story as the original source material, it points out the whole comic run basically, which has hundreds of writers and artists, so I voted for OCB.
The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play.
    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1  Previous   Next