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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 670 |
| | Posted: | | | | Or rather, what de we call it in DVDP?
I'm building a profile for a danish TV-series called "Klovn". The box contains two bonus discs with extras, among other thing a Dummy - an episode that was made apparantly before the real series was shot, probably to show the money-guys what the idea with the finished series was. At least, the episode was never aired as part of the actual series!
But what (if anything) does such an episode constitute in DVDP? Featurette? Deleted scene? Or perhaps just type "Dummy episode" in Others? | | | | The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet. (William Gibson) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | In the US TV industry such shows are called Pilots. How to handle it? There are arguments on both sides.
Personally, I think it depends on how they choose to package the pilot, sometimes they will include such things as Part of the First Season, which would open a door to include, other times they will toss it in as Part of, say Season 3, which I would not then include specifics.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | We call these "pilots" here in the U.S.
I would include it as such in the cast and crew sections. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 670 |
| | Posted: | | | | Okay, I just need to get one thing clear here then:
I thought a pilot was an episode that is usually aired prior to the first episode to establish storyline and characters?
As I said, the dummy was never aired on tv - also, it has another title that the rest of the series, and a lot of the cast have other roles than they do in the actual series.
So, is it still a pilot? | | | | The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet. (William Gibson) |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rander: Quote:
Okay, I just need to get one thing clear here then:
I thought a pilot was an episode that is usually aired prior to the first episode to establish storyline and characters?
As I said, the dummy was never aired on tv - also, it has another title that the rest of the series, and a lot of the cast have other roles than they do in the actual series.
So, is it still a pilot? There is a term for what you are describing, and it's completely slipping my mind. It's shot, as you said, with the purpose of getting investors. I don't think it's a pilot in the general terms, though, because usually these things aren't intended to be shown to anyone else other than potential investors. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Many pilots here are never aired (except for focus groups). Quite a few TV series include the "unaired pilot"  I agree with Hal. Include it as you would any other pilot. Disclaimer: If there are some cultural differences I am not understanding then follow what your fellow countrymen suggest, they would know better then I.  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rander: Quote:
Okay, I just need to get one thing clear here then:
I thought a pilot was an episode that is usually aired prior to the first episode to establish storyline and characters?
As I said, the dummy was never aired on tv - also, it has another title that the rest of the series, and a lot of the cast have other roles than they do in the actual series.
So, is it still a pilot? It's still a pilot. Sometimes Pilots are aired as the first episode and sometimes they are not. For example, the Original Puilot for Star Trek wsa nevber aired, "The Cage", footage from The cage was later edited into "The menagerie" to build a story. But the pilot itself remained unaired to broadcast TV. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 670 |
| | Posted: | | | | Okay then... I have entered the credits from the episode and will just leave it at that! So I've learned something today too!  | | | | The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet. (William Gibson) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | One thing you need to check though. Is the "Dummy" listed in the episodes or as part of the extras? because if the set includes it as part of the extras we are not allowed to add cast and crew for extra features per the rules. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | What others said. Some pilots are intended as a proof of concept, others are intended to air as a first episode, in which case they may or may not be considered part of the first season. Heroes and Birds of Prey and South Park all had pilots that were partially re-shot to make the first regular episode. Babylon 5 started with a TV movie which aired, but was later re-edited to match the rest of the series, Buffy the Vampire Slayer had a bit that mostly followed the plot of the first two episodes, but was shot all on locations, no sets, and had a different actor as Willow. It did not contain any footage that was used in the aired premiere. Plenty of pilots never get picked up, so don't get shown to the public at all. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
One thing you need to check though. Is the "Dummy" listed in the episodes or as part of the extras? because if the set includes it as part of the extras we are not allowed to add cast and crew for extra features per the rules. Pete, Can you help me out here? I'm having trouble locating this reference in the Rules. Thanks. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | From cast and crew section... Quote:
Do not list actors and crew who appear only in special features, or whose scenes were deleted from the main feature, even if they appear in special features. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't think I would consider this a special feature. An unaired pilot (AKA Dummy) on a bonus disk is not the same as a special 'making of' type feature... at least IMO. But I understand where you're coming from. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | but that is not what it says... it just says special features... plural... that is telling me any of the extras. So if the "Dummy" is included in the extras. that would also count. I would love there to be an exception for TV Show episodes... as I would like to have the info too. But as the rules are written (with no exceptions) I would have to vote no on any that were added. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
From cast and crew section...
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Do not list actors and crew who appear only in special features, or whose scenes were deleted from the main feature, even if they appear in special features. However, from the TV Series section of the Rules: Quote:
Enter Cast and Crew for each episode using standard rules, and insert dividers to separate each episode's credit list from the others. and Quote:
Do not number non-episodic features such as movies or alternate cuts unless they are given specific numbers on the DVD or DVD packaging. This latter part seems to indicate that only non-episodic features are to be excluded from the credits section, but episodic features are to be included. At least that's how I read it. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Oh! I missed that last part in the TV Series rules. sounds like for TV series releases we can have the bonus episodes profiled for cast and crew. But I don't believe that will work for movie releases that has a bonus of a TV episode. For example... I do believe it is wrong that Blazing Saddles has the cast list for the that pilot they attempted Black Bart. Since it is a movie release it would be handled under the standard rules which specifically says no cast/crew for the bonus material. And once again I would love there to be an exception for it! As I want that info myself. | | | | Pete |
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