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TV vs Film Ratings
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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Detonator (Death Train) UPC 794043-632327 is a made for TV movie and the cover rates the DVD as R. The problem is that when I put TV in the Rating System there is no R rating available. The R rating is only available under Film not TV.

If I use:
-Rating System: Film and Rating R - the first part is wrong because it should be TV.
-Rating System: TV and Rating anything that is listed - the second part is wrong because it should be R.

What is the correct thing to do?
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In these cases where TV movies has been put through the MPAA for a rating like that I use film rating so that the rating matches the case per Rules.
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In my opinion, Film and Rating R is correct.

Rating system means just that; which system has been used to rate this title. Rating system does not indicate if the title was made for theatrical distribution or for TV distribution (or, for that matter, direct-to-DVD distribution).

Some people want to use this field to separate TV productions from theatrical productions, and that is - again in my opinion - a misuse of the field. It works most of the time, but it is not the intended use.

That's also why I feel that it is totally illogical to change Film - NR to TV - NR. If something is not rated, then it obviously does not have a rating system. And consequently changing the rating system makes no sense. Unless you use the field for something other than what it is intended for.

But I've been overruled on that point before, so I doubt that I'll get any more sympathy now... 
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I believe if it wasn't meant to be changed to Television NR then there wouldn't be a Television NR as it wouldn't be needed.
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Quoting GSyren:
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In my opinion, Film and Rating R is correct.

Rating system means just that; which system has been used to rate this title. Rating system does not indicate if the title was made for theatrical distribution or for TV distribution (or, for that matter, direct-to-DVD distribution).

Some people want to use this field to separate TV productions from theatrical productions, and that is - again in my opinion - a misuse of the field. It works most of the time, but it is not the intended use.

That's also why I feel that it is totally illogical to change Film - NR to TV - NR. If something is not rated, then it obviously does not have a rating system. And consequently changing the rating system makes no sense. Unless you use the field for something other than what it is intended for.

But I've been overruled on that point before, so I doubt that I'll get any more sympathy now... 

Pete is correct and so are you, Gunnar. What you fail to comprehend is that there is a difference betweenTV and Film, they are two different things. I can easily ubnderstand what you are saying, gunnar. But NR means something relative to both TV and Film , the rating alone tells us nothing about the particular medium.

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From the viewpoint of pure logic, "NR" should refer to BOTH Film and TV, as the releases in question carry a rating of neither system. 
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Other than  I agree with GSyren's statement of "In my opinion, Film and Rating R is correct," I have nothing to add except that holy cow is the cast list on this TV movie awesome.
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From the viewpoint of pure logic, "NR" should refer to BOTH Film and TV, as the releases in question carry a rating of neither system. 

Exactly my point. 
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Ok, gunnar. I'll bite. The rating, even NR, is a characteristic of Medium. Television and Film are two different mediums, your idea would accomplish what exactly, eliminate the medium. Film has one rating system and TV has another and NR is a characteristic of each, since the vast majority of TV on DVD does not carry arating...what would you call it...None?<shrugs>   

I don't see what you are trying to suggest or where you are going. Isee that the flim uses the MPAA Rating system and Television in the US at least has it's own completely separate rating system. I don't know and don't really care if there is a a "real", in this case rating of NR, if there is then let's use whatever the actual rating is, I don't believe they have one. So NR tells me that the show has no rating, you have me confused.

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BTW I just checked and the TV parental Guidelines officially are
TVY
TVY7
TVY7 FV
TVG
TVPG
TV14
TVMA

There is no NR equivalent in TV formally, yet the vast majority of TV Shows in US carry no rating, like for example I Love Lucy, surely you aren't suggesting that we rate it ourselves, it carries No Rating therefore NR communicates valid information.

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As you can see HERE NR is not an official rating for TV or Movies. It is put in by Invelos for us to use for anything that was not officially rated. Invelos seen fit to put the NR in the ratings in both the movie and TV Series ratings... so they should be used where they best fit in... if the movie was originally aired at the theater or direct to video it should use Film rating. If it originally aired on TV (TV Series, TV Movies, TV Miniseries) it should use the TV rating.
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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... If it originally aired on TV (TV Series, TV Movies, TV Miniseries) it should use the TV rating.


This is why I was confused. Detonator originally aired on TV and, as such, should use the TV rating.

Ideally invelos, such as it did for NR, should standardize the ratings for TV and Film so that a TV film rated R could be classified correctly.

Until this occurs, I have changed this DVD back to Rating System: Film and Rating: R.

Thank you everyone for your input.
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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As you can see HERE NR is not an official rating for TV or Movies.


Duh - no, of course it isn't. That's the essential meaning of "not rated", right? 
 
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Ok, gunnar. I'll bite. The rating, even NR, is a characteristic of Medium.

That's where I disagree. NR means it was not rated. Therefore no rating system was involved. Indicating which system was used to not rate it is meaningless.

If DVD Profiler had been totally logically constructed there should not have been NR in either Film or Television. Instead there should have been three choices under Rating System; Film, Television, Not Rated.

While this would have been logically correct, it would have introduced some other problems. NR existed under Rating when we did not have Rating System. This was logical at the time. Moving NR out of Rating and into Rating System would have caused difficulties when upgrading to the new system. Also, for those localities that only has Film as rating system, having NR as a separate Rating System would have been confusing (even though it would have been logically correct).

So - keeping NR as an option in both Film and Television was most likely a sound decision. That does not, however, change the fact that Not rated means that no rating system was involved.

If I have understood thing correctly, the British "E" (Exempt) rating is different. I believe this means that the BBFC has looked at the title in question and has decided that it does not need a rating. If the same had been true for the US ratings then things would be different. But that's not how it works.
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Fully agree with everything you wrote, Gunnar! 

And you're quite right about the British rating system. In that system, E is definitely NOT the same thing as NR.
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