This should be interesting.

In "Terminator: Salvation" (note proper use of colon to indicate a subtitle), the above actress is credited on screen exactly as indicated in the subject line of this thread.

The DVDP program does not allow this in the on-line database as it automatically capitalizes the first letter of the last name, forcing the name to be "Jadagrace Berry".

Although I disagree with using the "Credited As" feature for this, others insist that because the system has changed the capitalization such that it no longer matches the on-screen credit, that we must use "Credited As".  So be it.

A contribution was made with the following credit: "Jadagrace Berry [Jadagrace berry]".

Seeing that the "Credited As" version submitted did not match EXACTLY with the on-screen credit, I re-submitted with the following credit: "Jadagrace Berry [JADAGRACE berry].

Per the Rules these are the relevant excerpts:

Quoting the Rules:

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If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.

In reviewing the credit in the subject line above, I reach the fairly obvious conclusion that it is NOT entirely capitalized because the last name is all in lower case.  Therefore, this Rule is actually not relevant, and standard capitalization Rules should not be applied.

Quoting the Rules:

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...with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited

(bold by me)

When applying the above Rule, while at the same time ignoring the capitalization Rule which does not apply, the result is that the credit must appear EXACTLY as credited, or in other words "JADAGRACE berry".

Nowhere is there any indication that you can take each part of the name individually and apply the capitalization rule to that part, which is exactly what the previous contributor did.  He applied the capitalization rule to the first name.  Found it to be in all capitals and applied the capitalization rule.  When he applied it to the second name, he found it to be in all lower case and therefore left the last name in all lower case.

But the Rule says "If the credit information is entirely capitalized...."

Even if you argue that the reference to "credit information" refers to all of the credits in the film (please note, it does not say "the rest of the credits"), it still fails the test because this credit is not entirely capitalized.  If you argue that the reference to "credit information" refers to each individual credit, then it still fails the test because this credit is not entirely capitalized.

The only way to come to the result of the previous contributor is to believe that the "entirely capitalized" Rule is to be applied to each part of each credit.  That makes no sense to me whatever.

I have withdrawn my contribution even though it was correct, because several people do not want "JADAGRACE" capitalized in the "Credited As" field.

I can only conclude, that they either do not understand the Rules, they prefer personal preference over what the Rules say, or they have some inside knowledge from the filmmakers as to why this credit was done the way it was.

As the said previous contributor has stated over and over, I just went where the data took me.  I transcribed exactly what the filmmakers put on the screen without trying to interpret it.  But yet, he voted no.  I have to ask myself why?

BTW, in my local database, she is credited as "Jadagrace Berry" with no "Credited As" at all.

Quoting Woola:

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You are twisting the Rules in the same way you tried earlier and lost, Hal.

The Rules tell us how to handle JADAGRACE (Jadagrace) they also tell us how to handle berry, which unfortunately can only be properly dealt with through Credired As, you got THAT part correct. Simplyu stop twisting the Rules Hal.

Skip

Nowhere do the Rules tell us to apply capitalization Rules to each PART of the name.

If I am wrong, please show me where it says to do this.

Quoting hal9g:

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Quoting Woola:

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You are twisting the Rules in the same way you tried earlier and lost, Hal.

The Rules tell us how to handle JADAGRACE (Jadagrace) they also tell us how to handle berry, which unfortunately can only be properly dealt with through Credired As, you got THAT part correct. Simplyu stop twisting the Rules Hal.

Skip

Nowhere do the Rules tell us to apply capitalization Rules to each PART of the name.

If I am wrong, please show me where it says to do this.

Hal"

JADAGRACE is consistent with EVERY other name in the cast list, it's the nerry that is not and I don't know why.

Skip

Surely common sense should prevail?

The only time capitalisation should come up for debate is when we are unsure if a name is:
1) Van Poophead or van Poophead
2) DePoophead or dePoophead

(But the rules wording should be updated).

We are to copy the DVD credits exactly as we see them on screen. If invelos changes the data and thus does not allow us to do so, then Ken and Gerri need to correct the problem on their end if possible.

If the data is wrong it can not be entered correctly - period. This inability to correctly enter data will only lead to mistakes, confusion and differences of opinion on how and why to enter wrong data.

Quoting samuelrichardscott:

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Surely common sense should prevail?

The only time capitalisation should come up for debate is when we are unsure if a name is:
1) Van Poophead or van Poophead
2) DePoophead or dePoophead

(But the rules wording should be updated).

Agreed here, but the fact that "Jadagrace Berry [Jadagrace berry]" got excepted in the first place is the only reason that this debate came up. Since it doesn't capture how it's viewed in the credits either. So if we're going to go to that length...why not take it all the way. It makes more sense than capturing half the data like the current listing in the profile does.

I'm completely with you though. The whole thing is somewhat laughable and really should have been "Jadagrace Berry" plain and simple. But here I go, saying my opinion's again...going to get me in trouble I'm sure.   

This DVD is still on my wish list so I don't have to vote on it or worry about it...yet!

I agree, it should either be "Jadagrace Berry [JADAGRACE berry]" or "Jadagrace Berry" with no credited as.  My local uses the latter, so you know what my personal preference is.

In any event "Jadagrace Berry [Jadagrace berry] is definitely wrong.