The most certainly are.

Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:

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I would say this only applies for character puppeteers credited with the cast (Muppets films for instance). Special-effects puppeteers like the guys working Metatrons wings in Dogma wouldn't be listed, but I'm guessing that's not the issue.

The Rules make no such distinction.  If they are included in the end credits, they are to be included.  There is no qualifier that they need to be included within the cast list, or that there be no spacing  between  them and the cast list (as for stunt people) or that there cannot be anything between the cast list and the puppeteer list.  They only have to be listed SOMEWHERE in the end credits.  Period.

What would you even list for a character if someone weren't a character puppeteer?

Hal:
NO, Hal, you are incorrect, the rules define the Cast credits. "are listed together in a single section at the end of the film"

The puppeteers you refer to are neither listed together not are they in a single section of the credits. You also cannot interpret the data relative to Jadagrace berry, it's the data, man. You claim it's absurd, upon what basis, have you mystically acquired the same powers of divinity of some users, I believe this the actor's first appearance or very early in her career, but the data is what it is. The program does not recognize the lower case berry without use of Credited As, but that is what the data IS. I certainly don't pretend any superhuman abilities, only what the data is factually.

Skip

Quoting Woola:

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Wrong, corne. They most certainly do.

The Rule states "are listed together in a single section at the end of the film". The puppeteers and the Cast are neither listed together, since the entire Stunt team comes in between them, NOR are they listed in a single section. In short, the Puppeteers are NOT part of the cast.

Skip

IMO, as puppeteers is specifically given it's own bulletpoint further down in the rules, this counts as a seperate ruling as it does NOT specify that they have to be a part of the CAST credits:
- If puppeteers are included in the end credits include them and append (puppeteer) at the end of the role.


This is another one that depends on how you interpret the rule.

Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:

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I'd say Skip is right here. puppeteers are a subset of the cast rules and thus must follow all the cast rules.

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#  If an actor name is only a first name or stage name enter it entirely in the first name field. Examples are Cher, Madonna, Cedric the Entertainer & Queen Latifah.
# If an actor's credited name includes a nickname, highlighted by ", ’ or ( ), list it in the middle name field. For example John "JS" Smith, John ‘JS’ Smith or John (JS) Smith

Those two are also under the same section in the cast rules only but people still apply it with crew as well. How is this different?

Quoting hal9g:

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The Rules make no such distinction.  If they are included in the end credits, they are to be included.  There is no qualifier that they need to be included within the cast list, or that there be no spacing  between  them and the cast list (as for stunt people) or that there cannot be anything between the cast list and the puppeteer list.  They only have to be listed SOMEWHERE in the end credits.  Period.

I misunderstood your stand here and I have to change my opinion, this is not true.  Per the rules, the term 'end credits' is defined as the place where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film.  For puppeteers to be included in the profiler credits, they must be included in that section of the film credits.

I agree. No to puppeteers based on the fact they are not listed under the cast section. That's how I've always interpreted the rules in regards to this...