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How to add a boxset without a UPC code?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormdnitoil
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Someone refresh my memory, how do we add a boxset parent when it carries no UPC code?  The TCM Universal Cult Horror Collection is being sold exclusively through TCM's website and Movies Unlimited, which are basically the same thing.  The darn thing carries no UPC barcode on it anywhere and it's a five disc set, each disc containing a different movie.  Obviously a piece of cake for the child profiles, but the parent is a bit of a challenge.  It's all the same to me, but given that these are old classic Universal horror flicks, it's reasonable to assume that more than one person will be trying to download these profiles.  I'm just trying to stay consistent with whatever the normal convention is, rather than make up my own stuff.
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Do they list a UPC on web site or was there one on the shrink wrap by chance?

I know I've had at least four box sets/collections where the only UPC code was on a sticker on the shrink wrap.  It's a bit of a pain but as long as you document it there should be no issue (I have one of the darn stickers and shrink wrap saved inside on of the cases on a few of them just in case).
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Sorry, I should have been clearer.  When I say there is no UPC, what I mean is there is no UPC that I have been able to find anywhere.  Not on the shrinkwrap, not on the websites where you can order the product, not on my invoice, not on my packing slip and certainly nothing printed on the actual set.  If I were able to find some evidence of a UPC, I'd just punch that in and be done with it.  For that matter, if anybody can find some evidence of a UPC, don't be shy about sharing it.

I will say that, with the current trend of major studios starting to offer print on demand titles, we are more likely to see this sort of thing and need to have a plan for it.  The Warner Archive isn't so bad right now, but Universal has started a program like this and Sony is rumored to be considering one.  This is Universal's first offering and right out of the gate it's a problem.  No reason to believe it's going to get any better with future offerings as they are pushing more sets.
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No UPC, No Parent, amigo. I hope the contents have UPCs or Disc IDs

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Yeah, the discs themselves have IDs.  This is a commercial set with Universal's name all over it, so no problem with the child profiles.  If the answer is no dice on the parent, then we are about to enter a brave new world on Universal box sets as they have another 5 or 6 planned.
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Thank you, Universal and TCM.

Midnit without a UPC there is no way to set it up as a Contributable profile. At least the individual films can be entered. Were I you the first thing I would do is fire off an e-mail to Universal, perhaps they will reconsider for future releases. After all to them Profiler is advertising, free advertising and if they cannot get their product into our database then it doesn't get advertised to other profiler users, if we don't know it's available we may not even buy it.

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Woola

Very good point, on advertising. I have planed my buys from this program for years.
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Locally, it's easy. You could just make a manual profile, but we can never get this in the online.

Just a thought, but would it be acceptable to use the DISC ID of the first movie in the set for the parent profile? I've been glancing at the rules, but couldn't find anything.
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Yes, that's even standing practice, however it won't do you any good if the individual discs/movies themselves have to be profiled by Disc ID as well. You can't use the Disc ID of the first disc twice.
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No, cver. You don't see it the Rules because this is a new issue. Vut this would carry major ramifications for the online. Whichever one was chosen as the Master Disc would be a Parent with a Full Profile, it could NOT be both Parent and Child. The manual profile is the best answer, along with grousing to Universal in hopes of  getting them to change this in the future.

For midnit, are you sure you checked everywhere, sometimes UPCs can be somewhere other than where we normally expect them to be, such as along the bottom edge or top edge. I recall once even discovering a UPC on one of the inserts that came with the title.

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Yeah, there's nothing.  It's a digipak, so no top or bottom edges.  Presumably, if they want to go wide distribution in the future, they'll have to add either a sticker or a slipcover.  About the only number that exists at all is the part number for the item that TCM has assigned.  Even that doesn't exist on the packaging, but you can at least find it on the website.  Unfortunately, there's absolutely no guarantee that it's unique and it's a completely non-standard number.

I just created a manual profile locally.  It's no big deal for me, but I'm afraid Profiler will be seeing more and more of this as SD releases become more of a high-priced, low volume specialty item.  If the studios feel like they can't move classic Universal horror films through the standard distribution chain, even the more obscure ones like these are, then the writing is on the wall.
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I have an idea, let's see if it works.

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DRAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Warner archives all have UPC #s through Amazon...but the TCM Universal Cult Horror Collection isn't available through Amazon...yet. We'll have to keep an eye on it.

Curses foiled again!

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No, cver. You don't see it the Rules because this is a new issue. Vut this would carry major ramifications for the online. Whichever one was chosen as the Master Disc would be a Parent with a Full Profile, it could NOT be both Parent and Child. The manual profile is the best answer, along with grousing to Universal in hopes of  getting them to change this in the future.

For midnit, are you sure you checked everywhere, sometimes UPCs can be somewhere other than where we normally expect them to be, such as along the bottom edge or top edge. I recall once even discovering a UPC on one of the inserts that came with the title.

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Ha, I misread, I thought I saw the individual discs had UPC's. No go then, since you can't use the Disc ID twice.

My bad 
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DRAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Warner archives all have UPC #s through Amazon...but the TCM Universal Cult Horror Collection isn't available through Amazon...yet. We'll have to keep an eye on it.

Curses foiled again!

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It'll probably show up first from Movies Unlimited; they seem to have some kind of in with TCM and they tend to get their stuff before most other places.
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It'll probably show up first from Movies Unlimited; they seem to have some kind of in with TCM and they tend to get their stuff before most other places.


Yes.  As I mentioned in the very first post, it is available from Movies Unlimited, however there is no UPC from the website.
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