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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Would like your opinion on something I came across today.
In a cast list someone was credited as Voice on the Phone/Secretary. So she is playing 2 parts. One seen on camera... the other not.
We have already established if they are credited as 2 parts in a single line like this we shouldn't separate them. So what would you do? check the (Voice) checkbox? It seems either way it will not be correct for both roles unless we did separate the roles on 2 different lines. Which I really wouldn't want to do either.
For now I checked the Voice checkbox since there is indeed a role there with voice only.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Didn't know there was a rule/agreement to not use two lines, but since "Voice on the Phone" already states that it is a voice role and "Secretary" is not, I wouldn't use the voice checkbox. | | | Karsten
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't think I would check the Voice Box in this instance, since he/she is defined with Voice already.
That said I offer this caveat and it can only be resolved by (1) someone being familiar with the actor AND (2) watching the film. This to establish whether the credit is defining the Voice on the phone OR the actor is playing two roles. IF the actor is playing two distinct roles then the Voice checkbox would not be useful as it is defined. IF the role is being further refined then the checkbox would be apropos.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
Didn't know there was a rule/agreement to not use two lines, but since "Voice on the Phone" already states that it is a voice role and "Secretary" is not, I wouldn't use the voice checkbox. Karsten: This would be not following the rules as the entry would NOT being listing the exactly as it appears as the Rules dictate; "For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited." This could be the method chosen for local but not for contribution. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
Didn't know there was a rule/agreement to not use two lines, but since "Voice on the Phone" already states that it is a voice role and "Secretary" is not, I wouldn't use the voice checkbox. The rules tell us to copy the credits exactly so, if the role is 'Voice on the Phone/Secretary', we have to enter it that way. The only time we can use two lines is when the roles don't all fit in the field. That being said, I agree with you. I would not check the box as it is for 'voice only' roles. While one of the roles is, the other is not. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks everyone  I will have to fix it. I was thinking since there is one that is voice only it would have to be checked. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That COULD be correct, Pete. BUT it is also possible that he/she had a Voice Role plus an actual On Screen appearance...we don't know which is true. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Posted: | | | | If she has both an on-screen role and a voice-only role, I would think that either checking or not checking the box would both be correct. If I were contributing a new role such as this, I would pick one. If this is already in the db, I wouldn't change what's already there. | | | ...James
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | I take it that "Voice Only" means the actress can't be seen on screen. If she is seen in one of the roles, she is no longer invisible, and "Voice Only" does not apply. | | | | Hans |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
I take it that "Voice Only" means the actress can't be seen on screen. If she is seen in one of the roles, she is no longer invisible, and "Voice Only" does not apply. This point I do not agree... per rules it does not go by the actor/actress... it goes by the role. Rules Quote] Quote:
For animated films or voice-only roles, use the "Voice" checkbox. So if an actress has a role that she is seen on camera and then a role that she is not seen on camera Voice checkbox would be applied for the role that is voice only. The only thing that made this one credit confusing is that both roles are listed in one line so I couldn't mark 1 role as voice only and one role not. | | | | Pete |
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| | Posted: | | | | I think what Staid meant was, since the combined role includes a non-voice only role, it is no longer 'voice only'. It is a voice role and a visible role, not a voice only role. That being the case, the box can't be checked...that, at least, is how I see it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Posted: | | | | Agreed with Staid. |
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| | Posted: | | | | I think if the voice on the phone is the secretary i would not check the voice field. If the actor has two different roles in the movie, i think i would make two entries in cast. One for voice only and one for secretary. Just my personal opinion, but not according to the rules.  |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I think what Staid meant was, since the combined role includes a non-voice only role, it is no longer 'voice only'. It is a voice role and a visible role, not a voice only role. That being the case, the box can't be checked...that, at least, is how I see it. That's my understanding too. I fully agree with this. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I think what Staid meant was, since the combined role includes a non-voice only role, it is no longer 'voice only'. It is a voice role and a visible role, not a voice only role. That being the case, the box can't be checked...that, at least, is how I see it. OK... I see what he meant now... when I read his comment it seemed more general then that. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Everbody thanks for explaining what I meant. I know I can be a bit cryptic sometimes. | | | | Hans |
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