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For "Uncorked" (At Sachem Farm), I'd like suggestions on filling out these boxes ...

Studios
1)
2)
3)

Media Companies
1)
2)
3)

Play the DVD, here's what you see:

Copyright warning

...

Logo Splash:
Lion's Gate Home Entertainment

Title Menu / Play Movie

Logo Splash
Lion's Gate Home Entertainment

Logo Splash:
Unapix Films

Logo Splash:
Itasca Pictures

Robert Snukal and Daniel Grodnik Present ...

In association with Capitol Films

an Itasca Pictures/Two Drivers Production

Does the credit order tell you who actually made the movie or the pecking order for the various roles reported?
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Well from what I see in your description, lassiter. It appears to me to be a direct-to-video release. Which means there is no Theatrical distributor, at least i never heard of it and the data seems to explain why.

From what you are describing I see the following data from the credits, no logo splash
Capitol Films
Itasca Pictures
Two Drivers

Media Companies
Lions Gate HE

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I don't personally own this title, but with what you have given.

Per the rules the order should be

Studios
  Theatrical distribuor
  production company (in order of appearance)

MC
  Media distributor.

Now I do not know if this movie had a theatrical release outside of 2 film festivals, before it was release on cable/TV.  If it did then

Studios
  Capitol Films
  Itasca Pictures
  Two Drivers

MC
  Lions Gate Home Entertainment

edit..

I see Skip was faster than I
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Since we usually enter the studios according to the credits and not to the logo splashs, it would probably be:
Studios:
1) Capitol Films
2) Itasca Pictures
3) Two Drivers (eventually with the appendix "Productions", depending on the actual company's name)

Media companies:
1) Lions Gate Home Entertainment (if, and only if the backcover of your DVD doesn't say something different, otherwise move LGHE to 2) and enter the MC from the backcover in 1) )
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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The Itasca logo is on the back but not mentioned in the text back cover credits. On the spine there's also a logo for Trimark Home Video, catalog number VM 7827D.

An Apollo Guide reviewer claims "... In the indie comedy Uncorked, released theatrically as At Sanchem Farm in 1998"

There is apparently a PAL / Region 2 disc of the film (EAN: 5014138299392) released as "Higher Love" with an advertised running time of 106 minutes, versus mine of 95 minutes. It was also supposedly released / screened as "Trade Winds" somewhere.

Apparently "Pretty Pictures" in Paris, France was the theatrical distributor for France.

inbaseline.com lists the following company credits:

Capitol Films                              Foreign Distribution Sales (international)
Itasca Pictures                          Production Company
Two Drivers Productions            Production Company
Trimark Home Video                  Domestic Video Distributor (video/DVD-USA)
Pretty Pictures (France)              Foreign Theatrical Distributor (France)

I've no idea (yet) as to if it was actually distributed to theaters in France or not.
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Quoting Woola:
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From what you are describing I see the following data from the credits, no logo splash
Capitol Films
Itasca Pictures
Two Drivers

Media Companies
Lions Gate HE

From the information provided, I agree with this.
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The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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Lassuiter:

Back cover is irrelevant relative to Studio data, the only time they have any value is perhaps determining MC. We are creating a profile of the movie on the disc, not the cover.

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Quoting Woola:
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Lassuiter:

Back cover is irrelevant relative to Studio data, the only time they have any value is perhaps determining MC. We are creating a profile of the movie on the disc, not the cover.

Skip

The back cover is not irrelevent. The rules give no directive for the studio source. It's common practice to look at the non-logo credits, but it's not in the rules that way.
...James

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Quoting m.cellophane:
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Quoting Woola:
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Lassuiter:

Back cover is irrelevant relative to Studio data, the only time they have any value is perhaps determining MC. We are creating a profile of the movie on the disc, not the cover.

Skip

The back cover is not irrelevent. The rules give no directive for the studio source. It's common practice to look at the non-logo credits, but it's not in the rules that way.

"The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself.  Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover.  In both case

Facts are so hard for some tyo deal with.

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Quoting Woola:
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"The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself.  Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover.  In both case

Facts are so hard for some tyo deal with.

Skip

That still doesn't make the back cover irrelevent, nor does it eliminate logos as a possible source. It certainly doesn't dictate that the non-logo credits are the only source. Also remember that public domain titles often have their credits clipped, eliminating both logo and non-logo credits.
...James

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Fine James, just keep doing whatever you want and keep on muddying the water every opportunity you get to do so. We don't need same-page for everyone to work, for Contributions, what is done local is up to each of us. We should ALL look to James for the improper way to do things ALWAYS..

James just ONCE i would like to see you clarify something, instead of always throwing in a handful mud. Just ONE time.

The discussion was had, James, long ago. This film actually represents a classic representation of why it was reached as and OTHERS have described. There is a piece of data in the logo, that does NOT appear On Screen as a credit, it could appear in the end Credits or even in the film copyright, but all that data FOLLOWS the data in the opening credits and by the time any additional Studio data is seen OUR data fields are already FULL, once again per the Rules listing them in the order they are seen. Would i like to have more fields to capture such data, SURE, but we don't and I can't add them much as I would like to...that is Ken Cole's job.

I try for the benefit of ALL to keep everyone focused on the same page and we all to sadly have users such as yourself who simply specialize in running around dumping mud in the water whenever you see the chance, making everything unclear for everyone. I have never understood why it is that you do this and I can only offer two possibilities, a desire on your part to undermine the Rules, or you really believe that only you possess the knowledge to define how things are done. All you ultimately do, James is hold the door wide open for users to do whatever they please and that helps no one. James please take note that at least two other users also said the same thing I did, before you came in with your mud pie. In that regard, since you only quoted me and NEVER mentioned the others, I can only view your comment as a direct and personal attack on me. Sorry, pal, but it don't wash.

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James just ONCE i would like to see you clarify something, instead of always throwing in a handful mud. Just ONE time.

I did clarify something. I clarified what the rules actually say or don't say on the subject rather than what common practice is.

Quoting Woola:
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James please take note that at least two other users also said the same thing I did, before you came in with your mud pie. In that regard, since you only quoted me and NEVER mentioned the others, I can only view your comment as a direct and personal attack on me. Sorry, pal, but it don't wash.

I saw your comment in the "Today's Active" view and that's what drew me to this thread. Responding with a clarification about what the rules actually say or don't say has nothing to do with you personally, nor is it an attack.
...James

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...by the time any additional Studio data is seen OUR data fields are already FULL, once again per the Rules listing them in the order they are seen....

That's not in the Rules.

The Rules specify Priority (Theatrical, then Production) and they mention that Studio names should be correct.  The first source should always be the credits.  But I have come across cases where the correct Studio name is not to be found onscreen.  The second place I would look is the box, then elsewhere.

(Instead of more Studios fields, I'd rather be able to allocate the six provided between film Studios and Media companies.)
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Quoting m.cellophane:
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Quoting Woola:
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James just ONCE i would like to see you clarify something, instead of always throwing in a handful mud. Just ONE time.

I did clarify something. I clarified what the rules actually say or don't say on the subject rather than what common practice is.

Quoting Woola:
Quote:
James please take note that at least two other users also said the same thing I did, before you came in with your mud pie. In that regard, since you only quoted me and NEVER mentioned the others, I can only view your comment as a direct and personal attack on me. Sorry, pal, but it don't wash.

I saw your comment in the "Today's Active" view and that's what drew me to this thread. Responding with a clarification about what the rules actually say or don't say has nothing to do with you personally, nor is it an attack.

Your opinion is merely YOUR opinion and NOT  astatement of fact, James. the FACT remnaisn that there are THREE other users whomade the same comment I did. Yet you made a comment which was merely designed to disparage my opinion, that sir, is an attack. That is also fact.

As I said James, this discussion was had long ago and that is the conclusion that was reached at that time. You are so good a cataloging past discuyssions I am sure you will have no problem in finding it. The Rules are not the Gospel According to James, sir.

As I said james, unlike you, I have one goal and that is to have everyone on the same page, not look for opportunities to undermine and disparage the Rules or other users, and create opportunities for user-interpretation, incorrect data and ping-ponging of the same. One page works to the benefit of all, your way leads to the kind of mess this database used to be in, with every user submitiing whatever he damn well pleases abnd results in the kind of situations that saw ONE SINGLE title getting footballed back and forth over 900 times over the course of FIVE years. So yse, James, i view comments as not only an attack upon myself, but also on the very fundamentals of both the program and the Rules, this something you have done for a very long time and it makes me very sad to see it. I don't much care what exciuse you offer "I saw your comment in the "Today's Active" view", that does not change the FACT that you attacked ME and three other user had already made the same comment, and until your "almighty" remark, those other three users and myself were the sole responders. So you psted a minority view, that is fine, but the manner in  which you did so was NOT, and ignoring the FACT that a total of FOUR users had made precisely the same comment yet you ignored that FACT does not speak well of you. Perhaps you were absent when the discussion was had, James, I don't know, not could I tell you what position i took when the discussion was had, I can only tell what the result of the discussion was and that result was what was cited by myself and three others. About the only thin I can remember specifically is our friend Martian formerly known as Unicus,, I believe, made the wise observatiion that logos are NOT credits. If we follow logos then it would be 20 Century Fox, while the Actual credit says Twentieth Century For or Twentieth Century-Fox depending on the time frame the film was made.

James while you claim that you did not attack me, let me again quote YOU "
I saw your comment in the "Today's Active" view and that's what drew me to this thread." What you are saying to me and I suspect others is that you have an agenda relative to comments by Skip, you did not bother to actually read the thread, you simply responded to that which drew you to the thread...me. That is an attack. I have to believe, James that had you actually read the thread prior to responding to me, your comment would have had a completely different tone.<shrugs>

Now seems to be a good point to interject your own inconsistency. Here you want to follow the logos, but it was YOU who did not wish to follow the logos for Distribtuion hence it is not 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment per the LOGO but Twentieth century Fox Home Entertainment because you claim with SOME justification that is ACTUAL data. Whci way do you want it, James, you can't have it both ways.

The failure and the hypocrisy in your logic staggers the mind.<shakes head>

BTW, James allow me to add that it is not my intent to attack you, but i will not tolerate attacks from you or anyone else either. Nor will I allow your bad logic and hypocrisy to go unchallenged. Had you taken notice that your position represented a minority view at the time, we would not be having this discussion, but you did not take notice of that, you8 singled ME out as if I were the one holding the minority view, and your tone, in view of your ignoring the posts of the other tree users, was patronizing at best. Sorry, laddy, that is my view of what you have had to say thus far.

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Welcome back, skip.
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Don't think for a second that I take ANY pleasure in this back and forth, Alien...I don't.

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