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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registranttbeishir
Registered: September 29, 2008
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I looked at the contribution rules and did not see anything about this.  Are you allowed to take an existing cover image and use software like Photoshop to sharpen or soften the image and then resubmit it?  Isn't a complete rescan preferred?  And if you don't even own the title to do that, shouldn't you just leave it alone and let the people who actually own it worry about it? 

There are two current submissions that when I voted no on them the person who contributed them admitted to me that they do not own the titles and just sharpened the existing images.  Basically he said that he was right and I was wrong and that if I don't like it I should do it myself because I own the title.  The only problem is that I don't have a problem with the existing cover.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorArdos
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While there's technically nothing wrong with it, I personally prefer it if a user owns a title. Especially when it comes to covers as if you don't own it you can't say for sure if what you're doing makes it better or not.
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And if you don't even own the title to do that, shouldn't you just leave it alone and let the people who actually own it worry about it?

Yes, if they don't own it they should definitely leave it alone.
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The only problem is that I don't have a problem with the existing cover.

Then i'd vote no and say why.

I've seen people put some amazing quality into the 200K we are given for an image.  However, they usually had a much larger image to work from.

To start with an existing 200K 500x700 pixel image i have to think sharpening/softening anything is going to quickly drift away from the submitted image.  Things may appears brighter or "sharper" but i'll bet it looks less like the original image.

I'd simply state with as much detail as can fit in 150 characters what you think is wrong with the image.  It'd probably be better to ignore goofy motives and deal with what's on the screen.
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You are entitled to vote 'no' if the images are not a significant improvement over the existing images. Just note that in your 'no' vote comment.

You can also block private messages from individual users.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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Let me see, there are a lot of questions here:
1: Generally the improvement of an existing scan is allowed by all means. Means: colourmatch, sharpness, etc can be corrected from the existing scans of the profile, especially since not all people own a scanner.
This leads to
2: For this changes in my eyes it's indispensable that you actually own the DVD (in this specific release), otherwise you won't be able to judge the "improvement". Means: No changes of scans to profiles you don't own.

3: If the edited scan in fact is an improvement in comparison to the existing profile I don't see any need to vote "No" on such a contribution, that you "don't have a problem with the existing cover" is not necessarily a valid reason for a "No"-vote. I know that this may contradict my answer to 2. , but this is more about "general vs. special"

4: If your summary of the argument is correct, the contributor shows a very strange attitude.

Hope this helps.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsamuelrichardscott
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2: For this changes in my eyes it's indispensable that you actually own the DVD (in this specific release), otherwise you won't be able to judge the "improvement". Means: No changes of scans to profiles you don't own.


This would be my personal opinion.  Without your own copy how can you be sure it's an improvement?  Sure, you can rely on votes, but that could be a waste of everyone's time.
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You can also block private messages from individual users.

To expand on that if you are being harassed via PM you should definately block the person sending the harassing messages, but not before you report the messages to Ken and or Gerri. It says right at the top of the PM page:
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The only way to stop this behavior is to report it when it happens.


Regarding the NO vote and the person just tweaking an existing image, everything everyone else has said is correct. There is nothing stopping them from doing it. Sometimes it helps, other times not so much  It is not against the rules though.

Your vote should be based on the following statement from the rules:
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make sure [the] new covers are of significantly higher quality than the existing online images

If you're doing that you're 
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Quoting m.cellophane:
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You can also block private messages from individual users.

To expand on that if you are being harassed via PM you should definately block the person sending the harassing messages, but not before you report the messages to Ken and or Gerri. It says right at the top of the PM page:
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Please note that the forum rules are enforced for private messages. Harassment of other users is strictly prohibited and will result in action up to forum account deactivation.

The only way to stop this behavior is to report it when it happens.

????
Where did you read that tbeishir is being harassed by the contributor?
The only thing I read in the OP is that there is a discussion going on.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantkdh1949
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The only way to stop this behavior is to report it when it happens.

????
Where did you read that tbeishir is being harassed by the contributor?
The only thing I read in the OP is that there is a discussion going on.

That was my thought, too.  It didn't sound like the PM tbeishir got was harassing, unless you consider a statement that "I am right and you are wrong" to be harassing.  Sometimes I think people (not tbeishir, as I read his OP) are looking for harassment when it's not intended and/or see it when it's not there.  Personally, I wouldn't take the comment as harassment.  The PMer (and I suppose we all know who that person is or at least have a good idea) is entitled to his opinion as much as any of us.  Stating that opinion in a PM isn't necessarily harassing.
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Where did you read that tbeishir is being harassed by the contributor?
The only thing I read in the OP is that there is a discussion going on.


Quoting tbeishir:
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There are two current submissions that when I voted no on them the person who contributed them admitted to me that they do not own the titles and just sharpened the existing images.  Basically he said that he was right and I was wrong and that if I don't like it I should do it myself because I own the title.  The only problem is that I don't have a problem with the existing cover.


I wouldn't necessarily say that he was being harassed, more like the contributor is just a little harsh with his/her words. Of course, we've only got one perspective of the story so that may/may not be how the contributor intended the message to be interpreted.
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You can also block private messages from individual users.

To expand on that if you are being harassed via PM you should definately block the person sending the harassing messages, but not before you report the messages to Ken and or Gerri. It says right at the top of the PM page:
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Please note that the forum rules are enforced for private messages. Harassment of other users is strictly prohibited and will result in action up to forum account deactivation.

The only way to stop this behavior is to report it when it happens.

????
Where did you read that tbeishir is being harassed by the contributor?
The only thing I read in the OP is that there is a discussion going on.


Please note I said IF he was being harassed he should report it.


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There are two current submissions that when I voted no on them the person who contributed them admitted to me that they do not own the titles and just sharpened the existing images. Basically he said that he was right and I was wrong and that if I don't like it I should do it myself because I own the title. The only problem is that I don't have a problem with the existing cover.


There are those around here who, if you vote no on their submissions will harass the crap out of you if you don't block them. What I read above sounded very familiar. I was simply informing someone with 1 post to his name that IF he is being harassed he doesn't have to take it and should report it.

I wasn't accusing anyone of anything. Don't try to cause trouble where there is none 
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I wasn't accusing anyone of anything. Don't try to cause trouble where there is none 

???
I wasn't trying to cause any trouble, I was asking a simple question because I thought I might have overread something.
After your somewhat sharp response I reread my question twice and couldn't find anything that would deserve such an answer.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorlyonsden5
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I wasn't accusing anyone of anything. Don't try to cause trouble where there is none 

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I wasn't trying to cause any trouble, I was asking a simple question because I thought I might have overread something.
After your somewhat sharp response I reread my question twice and couldn't find anything that would deserve such an answer.


Then I apologize to you for the misunderstanding. I overreacted and read something that wasn't there.
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Yes, if they don't own it they should definitely leave it alone.


Fully agreed tweeter.
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While there's technically nothing wrong with it, I personally prefer it if a user owns a title. Especially when it comes to covers as if you don't own it you can't say for sure if what you're doing makes it better or not.


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Quoting lyonsden5:
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Quoting goblinsdoitall:
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Quoting lyonsden5:
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Quoting m.cellophane:
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You can also block private messages from individual users.

To expand on that if you are being harassed via PM you should definately block the person sending the harassing messages, but not before you report the messages to Ken and or Gerri. It says right at the top of the PM page:
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Please note that the forum rules are enforced for private messages. Harassment of other users is strictly prohibited and will result in action up to forum account deactivation.

The only way to stop this behavior is to report it when it happens.

????
Where did you read that tbeishir is being harassed by the contributor?
The only thing I read in the OP is that there is a discussion going on.


Please note I said IF he was being harassed he should report it.


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There are two current submissions that when I voted no on them the person who contributed them admitted to me that they do not own the titles and just sharpened the existing images. Basically he said that he was right and I was wrong and that if I don't like it I should do it myself because I own the title. The only problem is that I don't have a problem with the existing cover.


There are those around here who, if you vote no on their submissions will harass the crap out of you if you don't block them. What I read above sounded very familiar. I was simply informing someone with 1 post to his name that IF he is being harassed he doesn't have to take it and should report it.
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I wasn't accusing anyone of anything. Don't try to cause trouble where there is none [/b]

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