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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | I thought it would be good to have a thread where we can collect the rare occasions where credits differ between different home video releases of the same film - credit variations between different regions, localities or formats. Having these compiled together somewhere could be prove to be useful in related contribution and common name conflicts, as well as giving us a general idea of how often such credit variations occur. For the record: I'm not talking about different cuts (i.e. director's cut vs. theatrical version) where the longer version may have additional cast members, but different releases of the same cut of a film which have the same person is credited under different name variants, or where the same role is credited to a different actor. I'll start off with the two examples I can remember: - The ' Con Air' DVD's have a credit for "David Chappelle", while the Blu-ray versions have "Dave Chappelle". Screenshots of both versions here. - Disney/Pixar's ' Cars', in which the "Harv" character is voiced by and credited to Jeremy Piven in the U.S. versions, while it's voiced by and credited to Jeremy Clarkson in the U.K. versions of these discs. Any other known examples of such credit variations? Please post them here! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Trying to cover your backside now? The bottom line, Tim, is that you should not be making changes to titles that you do not possess based on one that you do. This know to involve errors, just as you pointed out, and your example further exemplifies that just because Ken says that you can does not mean that you SHOULD.
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
Trying to cover your backside now? Huh?! As I said: just trying to shed to some light on certain contribution and common name conflicts, as well as trying to get an idea of how big a problem this really is. If you've got nothing constructive to add - I gather you don't know of any other examples? - then why post? Oh and by the way: there's nothing to cover. If you can show that I have ever overwritten a correct cast entry with a wrong one as a result of such a credit variation, please go ahead. I'm listening. But if you can't - which is the case - then don't insinuate otherwise. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | If I only own the Region 1 version of a DVD, how would I know if there were a difference between mine and say Region 2? I have nothing to compare mine to! I have no way of knowing if I should add something to this thread or not.  If you are suggesting that in addition to making sure that my copy matches exactly to what I have in DVDP for my Region 1 version, that you want me to then compare my credits to the DVDP profile for Region 2, I would consider that a waste of time, since I have no idea how accurate the DVDP profile for Region 2 actually is, and I have no way of checking it for certain. I have a better idea. How about we let people who actually own the DVD for that locality enter/validate the cast and crew for their locality? | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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 | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why would we need this Tim? If you go about contributing data for discs you actually own, this would not be an issue would it? And who's to say it is the rare occasions? I beg to differ - it is rather common that credits are not the same from one region to another... Evidently you are of another opinion (for one reason or the other  ) | | | Berak
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | You may've heard something somewhere or it could say on a special feature that while XXX was used for the US version, XYZ was used in the UK because....
Or you may have say the US DVD of a film but the UK Blu-ray.
Or as per T!M's post, even in the same locality the credits can vary from format to format. |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote:
Why would we need this Tim? If you go about contributing data for discs you actually own, this would not be an issue would it?
And who's to say it is the rare occasions? I beg to differ - it is rather common that credits are not the same from one region to another... Evidently you are of another opinion (for one reason or the other ) While I wholeheartedly agree about not submitting to profiles you don't own, Ken has made it 100% clear that at this time he is OK with it & as such people can't vote no to it IF the data is correct. I think the point of this thread is to try and establish how big an issue it is. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
If I only own the Region 1 version of a DVD, how would I know if there were a difference between mine and say Region 2? If you'd have clicked on the link I provided for the 'Con Air' example ( here), you'd have seen a perfect example of how you could uncover something like this: DVD vs. Blu-ray within the same region. I don't know why you exclusively hit on regional variations - variations between different formats seem so much more likely, as there's a bigger chance of new masters being made for a hi-def release. If there's a chance of making a change, that moment seems like an opportunity. Quoting Berak: Quote:
it is rather common that credits are not the same from one region to another... You keep saying that - and here you have the perfect platform to make good on these claims. Let's hear some examples? | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with berak, Tim.
I don't have to insinuate anything, Tim. It is a known fact. I have stated that I already have noted discrepancies between your alleged data and my own data, BUT without my discs I can't verify whether my data is still sound or has been properly or improperly changed.<shrugs> BUT even when I get them out of storage and start finding your errors, I will not attempt to make any corrections beyond what I OWN.
Tim, I won't even Contribute a BD that I own, I don't have a deck yet, with the DVD data which I might also own, simply because while I think there is a 99.99999999999% chance that they are the same Cast/Crew lists...I cannot be certain of it because I can't view the BD data.
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| Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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it is rather common that credits are not the same from one region to another...
You keep saying that - and here you have the perfect platform to make good on these claims. Let's hear some examples? Seriously - you just shot yourself in the leg by providing some fine examples yourself....  And I do not feel inclined to accomodate your insanely ridiculous reqests, as I have long ago accepted Invelos' official stance on the subject... I simply enjoy beyond explanation that you yourself have provided proof that your én masse contributions are faulty to say the least....  | | | Berak
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Also, Tim, take note that the variation may have nothing to do with Cast/Crew name but may involve the Role and it may also be something relatively subtle that might be easily overlooked. I'll give you a hypothetical but one which might be possible a US cred for HBC and the UK release uses HB-C, that is a very subtle difference which could easily be missed.
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
I think the point of this thread is to try and establish how big an issue it is. Indeed. I could just remember these two examples from eight-and-a-half years in the forums, and yet I see people worrying over alledged "credit variations" almost every single day. I'd like to know whether it's just unfounded paranoia, if these are the exceptions that prove the rule, or whether this poses a serious problem. @ Berak: so, you don' know of any examples, hm? Why am I not surprised? You see the difference between you and me? You spreading paranoia without any basis whatsoever - me doing the actual work in a serious attempt to uncover the size of the problem - with "serious" I mean that I'm NOT conveniently leaving out any findings that don't help my own point of view - from the fact that you find that hilarious I gather you usually opt for "forgetting" any bits of information that don't support your argument? I'll have to remember that when I'm reading your posts. Bottom line: you keep claiming that such credit variations are "rather common", yet you point blank refuse to back that up. You'll forgive me if I'm not exactly swayed yet, will you? | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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I think the point of this thread is to try and establish how big an issue it is.
Indeed. I could just remember these two examples from eight-and-a-half years in the forums, and yet I see people worrying over alledged "credit variations" almost every single day. I'd like to know whether it's just unfounded paranoia, if these are the exceptions that prove the rule, or whether this poses a serious problem. As Hal said: How could we possibly know? While I see the intent of this thread, I don't see how it could work. The only way would be to compare each and every credit of each and every DVD (-release) ... I think this would burst every forum. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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If I only own the Region 1 version of a DVD, how would I know if there were a difference between mine and say Region 2?
If you'd have clicked on the link I provided for the 'Con Air' example (here), you'd have seen a perfect example of how you could uncover something like this: DVD vs. Blu-ray within the same region. I don't know why you exclusively hit on regional variations - variations between different formats seem so much more likely, as there's a bigger chance of new masters being made for a hi-def release. If there's a chance of making a change, that moment seems like an opportunity. The same argument Hal made for differing regions applies here. On the few occasions where I replace a DVD with a Blu-ray, I do not compare the end credits. I simply give the DVD to one of my daughters and remove it from my collection. Needless to say, I agree with everything Hal said. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
As Hal said: How could we possibly know? And as I answered: IMHO, the best chance of uncovering such variations is when someone replaces their DVD with a Blu-ray. I'm sure lots of users are doing that regularly, and I'd guess that would be the ideal time to spot such differences them - if there are any. As of yet, I'm concluding "credit variations" don't pose much of a problem at all.  | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
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I think the point of this thread is to try and establish how big an issue it is.
Indeed. I could just remember these two examples from eight-and-a-half years in the forums, and yet I see people worrying over alledged "credit variations" almost every single day. I'd like to know whether it's just unfounded paranoia, if these are the exceptions that prove the rule, or whether this poses a serious problem.
As Hal said: How could we possibly know?
While I see the intent of this thread, I don't see how it could work.
The only way would be to compare each and every credit of each and every DVD (-release) ... I think this would burst every forum. Are people personally aware of others? I don't think anyone expects every single entry to be checked. However if people can name various titles where this happens then it may be enough to prompt Ken to rethink the policy of contributing to profiles that you don't own. |
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