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Should boxsets have a CoO?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAce_of_Sevens
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This has come up on a few profiles. Some people are arguing that box sets should have a country of origin listed if it is the same for all included movies. Others say box sets should only have basic data that applies to the set itself and this doesn't qualify. The rules do not address this point at all. What do you think?
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Here are my thoughts on this: we don't enter audio data on box sets, even if it's the same for every movie in the box. I don't see why this would be different.
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I may be mistaken, Ace. But i think this has been addressed and I think the conclusion was No.

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No. How could the parent profile of a box set have a CoO? The Country of Origin refers to the country in which the movie was produced (the nationality of the major production studio). Besides the fact that a box set could contain movies with different CoO, the CoO refers to a movie, so can only apply to the child profiles.

For me the parent profile can only contain the basic info that applies for the box set, like Title, SRP, release date, case type, media companies, box set overview and if available the box set rating. Even genre and the year of production is unnecessary, because it refers to a movie not the box set. But year of production is allowed by the Rules, so I keep that local.
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Quoting Jubal:
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I may be mistaken, Ace. But i think this has been addressed and I think the conclusion was No.

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We really need a method of linking to all these judgments from the rules. It would makes things much simpler. Annoyingly, yes is winnign, but no yes voters have explained their reasoning yet.
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The contribution rules explicitly list each and every field that should not be entered for box set profiles. CoO is not one of them, so it can be entered.
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Tim is right.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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The contribution rules explicitly list each and every field that should not be entered for box set profiles. CoO is not one of them, so it can be entered.


Does it? It never claims that the list it gives is a complete accounting of everything that shouldn't be entered. Obviously, you can't enter a CoO if it's different for different films in box, so a blanket statement that you are supposed to enter a CoO because it doesn't say not to doesn't hold up.
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The contribution rules explicitly list each and every field that should not be entered for box set profiles. CoO is not one of them, so it can be entered.



So I can add Sound Engineers in the child profiles as well, because the Rules doesn't say it can't be entered?
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Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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The contribution rules explicitly list each and every field that should not be entered for box set profiles. CoO is not one of them, so it can be entered.


Does it? It never claims that the list it gives is a complete accounting of everything that shouldn't be entered. Obviously, you can't enter a CoO if it's different for different films in box, so a blanket statement that you are supposed to enter a CoO because it doesn't say not to doesn't hold up.


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Quoting Corne:
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The contribution rules explicitly list each and every field that should not be entered for box set profiles. CoO is not one of them, so it can be entered.



So I can add Sound Engineers as well, because the Rules doesn't say it can't be entered?

No you can't!
And that's because the rules explicitly say so.
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Do not use credits for the box set - Credits will be listed on the individual profiles.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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The problem with T!M's argument is that CoO is not covered in the rules in the first place. So it can't be excluded from box set profiles either.

I would think that excluding CoO from box set profiles is nothing more than an extrapolation of the current set of rules.
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It's not a required entry but it is allowed. If you don't know how to determine CoO for a box set, you should probably not include it.
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Okay let's see if i follow this logic correctly. Let's tale James Bond Boxset. The Boxset, at least here, would be produced by TCFHE, therefore the COO for the Boxset would US, it can't be Eon (UK) because they make movies not Boxsets. Therefore it might even be possible to have a James Bond Boxset with a COO of Australia or France.  Ummmm I don't think so, the logic doesn't work for me, I would have to say Boxsets should not get a COO, which as I stated earlier, I believe this has been dealt with earlier and the answer was No. New Line Home Entertainment is US based therfore LOTR Boxset is US, while films are New Zealand...nope it just doesn't work for me. And for the record I don't care one way or another. I just want a rational answer and this doesn't seem rational.

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Although, since we include the productiion year of the earliest release, one could argue the logic that the CoO should also be that of the earliest release. But this would be a personal preference.
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And we all know what I think of personal preference, do I really have to say it.    

Can we say it in unison.

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