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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,744 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hi, I have currently a contribution that is voted no upon. It's about the original title of a german season box of an US series. Currently the profile says: Quote:
Title: Eine schrecklich nette Familie: Erste Staffel
Edition: (DVD)
Original Title: Married... with Children: Season 1
I try to change it to: Quote:
Title: Eine schrecklich nette Familie: Erste Staffel
Edition: (DVD)
Original Title: Married... with Children: First Season
because that would be the original title and a literal translation of the season indicator. No votes state: Quote:
"Original Title: Use the title from the film's credits." The original Original Title doesn't contain 'First Season'.
IMHO that's the wrong rules since this falls into the "foreign films" category. Quote:
Not covered by rules for Original Title or Foreign Film (not possible with a variety of titles). Perhaps OT without season indicator acceptable.
I agree that it's not exactly covered by the rules, but there are a lot of users who have the collection list set to "original title" and need that information. And I've seen countless season profiles (outside R1 country) where it is handled this way ("original title in CoO: translated season indicator"). What does the community say? | | | Karsten
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | My personal opinion would be to just have it as "Married... with Children" as that's the original title that the series was broadcast under & how it would appear in the credits. However, the obvious disadvantage for this would be that all seasons would appear the same way if displayed by OT. As a result, under the current system, I don't see a problem with adding a DVD title translation. | | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
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| Registered: December 13, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
My personal opinion would be to just have it as "Married... with Children" as that's the original title that the series was broadcast under & how it would appear in the credits. However, the obvious disadvantage for this would be that all seasons would appear the same way if sorted by OT. As a result, under the current system, I don't see a problem with adding a DVD title translation. I agree with FtR. I don't see a problem with a translation. But to be honest I don't see a problem with the current OT either. In fact for sorting purposes that would be móre practical, as you'd automatically get the seasons in the correct order. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,744 |
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| Registered: December 13, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
But sorting is done by sort title, not original title Oops!  |
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 |  Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Married... with Children: First Season
My 2 cents: As with other rules, we interpret "film" to mean movie, television show or other video presentation. Since it's a Foreign "Film," the Original Title goes in the field. And since it's a TV Series, the season indicator should be entered as part of the title. |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would put "original title from the credits: localized season indicator from the cover".
That approach gives you a solid source for both pieces of data, eliminating the need to argue about it. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
I have currently a contribution that is voted no upon.
It's about the original title of a german season box of an US series.
I suggest to end the inelegant merging of Title (or Original Title) with all these ultimately uninformative season indications like "Season 1", "Season One", "First Season", "The First Season", "The Complete First Season"... (quick survey) Invelos should spent a digit, full stop. Or two, covering half-seasons. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | This isn't a movie, so the title card thing isn't valid. The original title would be the original title of the particular collection of episodes, not the show itself, so "first season" is correct. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
This isn't a movie, so the title card thing isn't valid. The original title would be the original title of the particular collection of episodes, not the show itself, so "first season" is correct. Where do you take the label "first season" from"? It's nowhere on the package and neither on the discs. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
This isn't a movie, so the title card thing isn't valid. The original title would be the original title of the particular collection of episodes, not the show itself, so "first season" is correct. How do you come to this conclusion? The standard rules, regardless of wording, apply to every single profile unless clarified in the 'Box Sets' or 'TV Series' sections. The rule for foreign films reads, "The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin." That title, in this particular case, is 'Married... With Children'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
That title, in this particular case, is 'Married... With Children'. And that, as documented time and time again, doesn't work for TV shows, because of the very basic DVD Profiler option to display your collection "by original title". Since doing that would result in a dozen the same entries all with the same title (one for each season, without a visible season indicator), it's abundantly clear that the season indicator should be just as much a part of the "original title" field as it's part of the "title" field. Graphical example of what would happen when we'd do that: here's the view of four 'Miami Vice' seasons in my database, plus the movie remake, using the "display by original title" feature of the program:  See? I don't even need a specific rule telling me that this isn't the way to go - it's already made perfectly clear through the basic design of the program. Whatever we do, this is not an option. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | All of that is true, and I never said otherwise, but that is what the rules require. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
...The standard rules, regardless of wording, apply to every single profile unless clarified in the 'Box Sets' or 'TV Series' sections. The rule for foreign films reads, "The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin." That title, in this particular case, is 'Married... With Children'. But that rule is clarified in the 'TV Series' section where it says that season indicator should be included as part of the title. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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...The standard rules, regardless of wording, apply to every single profile unless clarified in the 'Box Sets' or 'TV Series' sections. The rule for foreign films reads, "The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin." That title, in this particular case, is 'Married... With Children'.
But that rule is clarified in the 'TV Series' section where it says that season indicator should be included as part of the title. Exactly. That includes "original title" as well. If necessary, we're allowed to apply the original title rule, but per that specific clarification (and dictated by plain logic and by basic program design as outlined above), the season indicator should still be included. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Exactly. That includes "original title" as well. Where is this stated? | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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