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| Registered: February 10, 2008 |  Posts: 244 |
| | Posted: | | | | The movie is "Arsenic and Old Lace" with EAN 7-321921-650253... The credits someone likes to enter are "Howard Lindsay: Producer" and "Russel Crouse: Producer"... problem is they are not the producers of the movie (which would be Frank Capra) but the producers of the stageplay that got adpoted. Should they get listed as Producers in profiler or not? As for the profile in question it's all no votes - now for the 5th try of the contribution,
If it's ok to enter this BS into the profiler db... I assume it would be alright to enter the credited mice and llamas in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" too?! | | | | Last edited: by MakoDeth |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I obviously don't have the same copy of that film as you do as it'd get a "no" vote from me too. Producers of the original stage play should not be listed in the crew, except (in very rare cases) as maybe OMB - but even that's really pushing it. Edit: and those llamas worked bloody hard on that film - why shouldn't they get credited?  | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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| Registered: February 10, 2008 | | Posts: 244 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sure you mean "yes" and not "no", which your 2nd sentence would indicate?  |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | My apologies, the way I read your original post I thought you were trying to remove them, not that someone else was trying to add them. Have amended the post accordingly  | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Producers of the original stage play should not be listed in the crew As Howard Lindsay and Russel Crouse are credited as "Produced by": on which particular part of the Contribution Rules do you refer to? | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: February 10, 2008 | | Posts: 244 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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Producers of the original stage play should not be listed in the crew
As Howard Lindsay and Russel Crouse are credited as "Produced by": Which is referring to the stageplay - as the credits show these producers credits on the same credits site: "From the Stage Play by Joseph Kesselring Produced by Howard Lindsay and Russel Crouse" |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | He is correct, bbbb
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
As Howard Lindsay and Russel Crouse are credited as "Produced by":
on which particular part of the Contribution Rules do you refer to? But the full credit is referring to the stage play not the film. We only list the producers of the film. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
We only list the producers of the film. Exactly where in the Contribution Rules is this stated? | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
He is correct, bbbb We remove the Producer, because he is not literally credited as "Produced by", as per rules. Then we reject the Producer, who is literally credited as "Produced by", in contrast to the rules. Does that seem right to you, Sir? | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | bbbb
Don't get argumentative. I u7nderstand the point you are making. Use your head. All we can list is Producer, we cannot expand that data field except for your local. So Producer is misleading in this case, since these two people were not involved in the production of the film in any way. If we could expand that data field to be more clear what they Produced then i would be with you...but not as it is now. We can't cover every eventuality in the rules even though we try, sometimes you are going to trip ove something such as this.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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We only list the producers of the film.
Exactly where in the Contribution Rules is this stated? Does it really have to be spelled out? We are entering the credits for the main feature that is on the DVD/Blu-ray/HD DVD. In this case, that main feature is a film that is based on a play. We credit the producers of the film, not the producers of the play it is based on. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | From the info presented above, the problem that I see is that if they are ONLY credited with "Produced By" and not as producers of the play then they should be added. Why? For the simple reason that we don't assume info that isn't there. If they are credited purely as Producers then as has been said by others in plenty of threads we have to assume that is their role.
I'm not saying that I agree with it (I don't know the title in question so don't have an opinion), but saying that I don't think it can be declined on the above basis. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | As Makodeth says above, the full credit actually reads:
"From the Stage Play by Joseph Kesselring Produced by Howard Lindsay and Russel Crouse"
It's very clear from the screen that the "Produced" credit refers to the stage play. |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
As Makodeth says above, the full credit actually reads:
"From the Stage Play by Joseph Kesselring Produced by Howard Lindsay and Russel Crouse"
It's very clear from the screen that the "Produced" credit refers to the stage play. Thanks, North, missed that post. In that case, I agree they shouldn't be added. |
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