Ok, having a bit of a discussion about a submission for some song writing credits, so I'll try and keep this as neutral as possible so you can make your own minds up:

There is in a film, a credit which looks roughly like this (fake names):

Songs:
Music by Mr. Smith
Lyrics by Mr. Smith and Mr. Jones

Would you give Mr. Smith one or two song writing credits?

Would you say one, because "Song Writing" covers music and lyrics?
Or would you say two, because he's credited with two jobs on screen?

Song Writing is music and/or lyrics, so I would give each person one Song Writer credit. We don't have a method for noting who did music and/or lyrics separately, except locally.

Quoting m.cellophane:

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We don't have a method for noting who did music and/or lyrics separately, except locally.

Just to play devil's advocate - should we really ignore the fact that there's two on screen credits just because of the limitations of our crew credit system?
Look at the all the different VFX credits that end up all looking the same in the online for example.
Listing him twice would at least show that he did two separate jobs on the song(s).

Quoting northbloke:

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Quoting m.cellophane:

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We don't have a method for noting who did music and/or lyrics separately, except locally.

Just to play devil's advocate - should we really ignore the fact that there's two on screen credits just because of the limitations of our crew credit system?
Look at the all the different VFX credits that end up all looking the same in the online for example.
Listing him twice would at least show that he did two separate jobs on the song(s).

I've not seen anyone listed twice in DVD Profiler using the same role; have you? I think this came up for an OMB credit recently too. When someone writes more than one song, such as:

Music by Mr. Smith
Lyrics by Mr. Jones

Music by Mr. Smith
Lyrics by Mr. Doe

I don't record a Song Writer credit for Mr. Smith twice for that. I record him once for song writing, regardless of the number of songs or combinations of writers.

The trickier credit for me is when it's like this:

Music by Mr. Smith
Lyrics by Mr. Jones

It's tricky when the composer (music) wrote the score and the music for the songs, yet only received one film credit of "music by". I usually list the music credit as composer and the lyricist as song writer...but that ignores that someone wrote the music for the songs.  I adjust for that locally with a second credit for the music composer as song writer, but I avoid the hue and cry of trying to contribute that.

Quoting m.cellophane:

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Song Writing is music and/or lyrics, so I would give each person one Song Writer credit. We don't have a method for noting who did music and/or lyrics separately, except locally.

Agreed.

I do see your point, north, but IMHO the thing is: in Cast Credits you can enter any role you want, in Crew Credits you're limited to the pre-defined options. The only way to capture the double credit would IMO be to use a (local-only) Custom Role (the Other field) for your second mr. Smith credit.

Edit: and we can't follow the "credited as" mantra in crew anyway (translations for foreign crew roles etc.). Not to mention "functional equivalents" (ducks for cover...  )

I would give him only one credit.
Haven't seen a person credited twice for the same so far.

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