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Why do French DVDs force French subtitles?
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I have DVDs from all over the world.  French ones are somewhat unique in that they seem to force French subtitles when audio other than French is selected.  This makes it a pain for movies with English audio where I do not need any subtitles.  So question I have is, why?  If Germans could sell DVDs without forced German subs, then I don't think it has to do with any contractual obligations.
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I have DVDs from all over the world.  French ones are somewhat unique in that they seem to force French subtitles when audio other than French is selected.  This makes it a pain for movies with English audio where I do not need any subtitles.  So question I have is, why?  If Germans could sell DVDs without forced German subs, then I don't think it has to do with any contractual obligations.


In the early years there were also a lot of German DVDs with forced subtitles (especially from the label "Kinowelt"). This was done because of licensing issues. I think it was cheaper to get the English audio track if they were including a non-English forced subtitle track. This way they wanted to make the DVDs uninteresting for (for example) the English people importing them into England (where the DVDs sold there were usually more expensive).


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alot of norwegian dvds are like that too
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alot of norwegian dvds are like that too


They are?!? Which ones - I haven't come across one single Norwegian DVD with forced subtitles yet           
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Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow from Scanbox was the last DVD with forced subtitles I encountered in Sweden, but it used to be a common problem in the early days especially with independent films. Egmont (now Nordisk Film) was the main offender. Thanks to the protests of buyers, it seems to have disappeared though.
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As long as the subtitles aren't actually "burned in" (some are) on the transfer, there are ways to remove them...
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Have to ask..,, But are we talking about Parisienne French  or Quebec French,, i.e. French Canadian DVD's ???  I don't know that much about European French Laws for DVD's but here in Canada there are always a lot of little rules and regulations to keep the French Canadians happy so they won't seperate from the rest of Canada if they aren't recognised as French speaking sector of our Country.
Therefore the stipulation of 'special' rules regarding region 1 DVD releases and their audio and text properties...
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We're talking DVDs from France. It's becoming less common as my french friends tell me, but it was the main reason for me not buying DVDs in/from France.
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Egmont (now Nordisk Film) was the main offender. Thanks to the protests of buyers, it seems to have disappeared though.


Nordisk Film is probably the worst Distributer ive ever seen. They release DVD's the same way as they released movies on VHS
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As long as the subtitles aren't actually "burned in" (some are) on the transfer, there are ways to remove them...


True, you can remove them with any decent copy/rip tool, but that's no reason to put up with it.
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Nordisk Film is probably the worst Distributer ive ever seen. They release DVD's the same way as they released movies on VHS


Definitely agree with you there, I try to avoid their releases if I have other options.
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As long as the subtitles aren't actually "burned in" (some are) on the transfer, there are ways to remove them...


True, you can remove them with any decent copy/rip tool, but that's no reason to put up with it.


I used to have a crappy Cyberhome that would override the disc settings and let you turn the subs off by starting the movie in French, then switching to English while playing. My Toshiba and a few other players have all failed at this, as the opition to change audio "on the fly" as I call it (while viewing, Universal R1 discs don't let this happen either), is set to off. Now I had to make "viewing" copies" of my French discs to avoid the subs. Try the audio trick on your player first though, it might just work and save you the trouble/bother. Too bad that CH player was so horrible otherwise, it did do cool things like unlock all disc opitions, even when set by the manufactuer to not work. It was also great to skip those forced trailers/FBI warnings, etc.
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