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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Let's say you own a complete season box set of a TV series, released in a Locality different from the CoO.
So, the Title is something like "Localized Title: Localized Season Descriptor".
What would you enter in the Original Title field? | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is a very difficult one... I can see problems with both b) and c).
b) The Original Title of the series (without any Season Descriptor).
This doesn't really work well because one DVD Profiler's standard features is to display your collection using the original title (tools / options / display). If you have, say, eleven seasons of 'Frasier' that all have 'Frasier' as original title, this gets rather messy.
c) Original Title: Original Season Descriptor.
Sounds nice, but what is the "Original Season Descriptor"? How do we establish that? That of the country of origin of the series? Although the CoO can be established, the "Original Season Descriptor" cannot: what if a U.S. tv show isn't released in the CoO yet, but is first released on DVD in, say, Germany. What would the "Original Season Descriptor" for that set be? And should it be changed once an American DVD-version is released? I really don't see how this would work.
I guess I'd be temped to go for something slightly different: "Original Title: Localized Season Descriptor". That way we can capture the original title (which, as opposed to the "Original Season Descriptor", actually CAN be established), while not having to deal with the season descriptor. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
I guess I'd be temped to go for something slightly different: "Original Title: Localized Season Descriptor". That way we can capture the original title (which, as opposed to the "Original Season Descriptor", actually CAN be established), while not having to deal with the season descriptor. I agree. It's the best thing for us Dutchies too, because the distributors almost never translate the title in our Country, just the season descriptor, and that way we do not have to use the original title field for most of our TV series at all.  | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands | | | | Last edited: by Daddy DVD |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 413 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
This is a very difficult one... I can see problems with both b) and c).
b) The Original Title of the series (without any Season Descriptor).
This doesn't really work well because one DVD Profiler's standard features is to display your collection using the original title (tools / options / display). If you have, say, eleven seasons of 'Frasier' that all have 'Frasier' as original title, this gets rather messy.
c) Original Title: Original Season Descriptor.
Sounds nice, but what is the "Original Season Descriptor"? How do we establish that? That of the country of origin of the series? Although the CoO can be established, the "Original Season Descriptor" cannot: what if a U.S. tv show isn't released in the CoO yet, but is first released on DVD in, say, Germany. What would the "Original Season Descriptor" for that set be? And should it be changed once an American DVD-version is released? I really don't see how this would work.
I guess I'd be temped to go for something slightly different: "Original Title: Localized Season Descriptor". That way we can capture the original title (which, as opposed to the "Original Season Descriptor", actually CAN be established), while not having to deal with the season descriptor. That sounds valid reasoning and mayby it would lead us to a new feature request: The season for TV series should be a separate title field where only the season number is entered. That way we can get rid of all those localized descriptors: Staffel, Tuotantokausi, Series, Saison, Seizoen, "The Complete Xth Season", etc. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Since I have only series from english/american origins I always used
Name of the Show: Season X
as OT when I contributed titles.
And I am strongly in favour of Jykke's suggestion for season indicators. You should make it a feature request. | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | - | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,196 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jykke: Quote:
That sounds valid reasoning and mayby it would lead us to a new feature request: The season for TV series should be a separate title field where only the season number is entered. That way we can get rid of all those localized descriptors: Staffel, Tuotantokausi, Series, Saison, Seizoen, "The Complete Xth Season", etc. It's a neat idea, but sometimes they package multiple seasons together, like Homicide S1 & S2 are called Säsong (Season) 1 in Sweden. So for this i put the correct seasons in the original title field. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
I guess I'd be temped to go for something slightly different: "Original Title: Localized Season Descriptor". That way we can capture the original title (which, as opposed to the "Original Season Descriptor", actually CAN be established), while not having to deal with the season descriptor. Sorry, I don't like it. The original title is for exactly that. Having a translated word for 'season' (or whatever the word for season is in the original language is) mixed with the name of the series doesn't make it any original title anymore. | | | 
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Bumping this thread. Has anyone considered the impact on the CLT results? The number of titles is taken from the number of original titles. If the original title field is empty, the regular title is used. In every country, the title and season numbering on the cover is often in the native language. Even if the original title is "Original Title: Original Season Descriptor", there could be variations. If we all use "Original title" (option b in the poll), the CLT results will drastically improve in my opinion. Instead of counting every single variation on season/episodes/volume/part/etc., only the actual title would be counted, hence the CLT improvement. I'm currently working on some improvements on the Dutch profiles for Smallville. At the moment, Kristin Kreuk is credited on 191 titles with 321 profiles. For instance, these are counted as 7 titles (!) Smallville: The Complete Sixth Season Smallville: The Complete Sixth Season: Disc 1 Smallville: The Complete Sixth Season: Disc 2 Smallville: The Complete Sixth Season: Disc 3 Smallville: The Complete Sixth Season: Disc 4 Smallville: The Complete Sixth Season: Disc 5 Smallville: The Complete Sixth Season: Disc 6 If all Smallville profiles had original title "Smallville", the number of titles for Ms. Kreuk would be reduced to just 5 or 6. Nobody has to worry about the parsing of the original season numbering (Complete Sixth Season, Complete 6th Season, etc.). Easier for everybody, I think. Jykke's suggestion is also good, but that requires yet another field. I think title, edition, sort title and original title are enough fields, and adding one more would create more confusion for the casual or less experienced user of the program. Tim also has a valid point about the sorting by original title. That would require some other workaround, I agree. Haven't thought of one, though...  |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting marcelb7: Quote:
Has anyone considered the impact on the CLT results? The number of titles is taken from the number of original titles. If the original title field is empty, the regular title is used. I had considered it. When i do a common names thread i treat a whole season as one title. The names for parent and child profiles come from the same source. The raw CLT numbers are certainly skewed from this perspective. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Keep in mind that without season descriptors, all seasons will have the same original title. This will be a problem for people who display original titles. |
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